re-sale of modules?

Hi all,

I have approx £1000 of mods that I cant use on my site. Many are compatability issues, some are what were purchased for modification into somehting else that will not do as i was told they would.

Is it possible for me to sell them on to another person in order to re-coup some of these losses. The modules have been uninstalled from my site and are not in use. I was wondering what the situarion was on this, and what the implications are?

That's a hot topic. I can't give you a definitive answer but it normally starts a good debate.

I don't see anything wrong with what you're proposing. The reason it's touchy for some folks is all the people in the past who bought tons of mods and then tried to re-sell them as a "mod pack" over and over. I know this isn't what you're wanting to do but a lot of developers cringe at just the mention of someone else selling their mods.

whatcha got??.. illl buy some!

i bought it, i don't use it i don't see a problem why i cant sell it or give it to someone to use it. It's paid for to be used on one site.

seems like a waste. they are just sat sat on my HD doing nothing, and its money I could plough back into my site, so developers would get to benefit again anyways.

This has always been a touchy subject. I believe its due to mostly the disclaimer on many modules that forbid you to redistribute the module in any way (free or sale) without the permission of the module owner.

An example of a problem would be this: (This is only regarding PAID modules)

- You buy a module for $50.

- You are not using it anymore, so you decide to sell it to someone else for $30

- The person you sold it to has told someone else that they bought the module from you for $30. So you sell it to the other person for $30 and/or the original person you sells it to then resells it, and so on and so on.

- In the end, the developer of the module now has their module on 20 sites while only getting paid once. 

- I personally do not think its fair. Its also the reason why we (moderators) remove any links allowing people to download paid modules they are not the creators/owner of.

The other issue with reselling paid modules is:

- People buy them from you and they need help. The developer is NOT going to give them any type of support OR upgrades in order to resolve any issues

- Those who have bought the module from someone other than the developer is now at risk for the module to stop function if, for example, D8 is released and NONE of the modules work with it.

- The end up in the same boat that you are in now. Having modules that they paid for, but do not work.

In the long run its a 'Lose/Lose' situation for everyone involved. Its similar to these warez sites, except with a fee. Not good practice.

I completely understand your issue though. I have at least $2500 in modules that I bought for D6 (not including what I have for D7) that I no longer use since the upgrade to D7. Its just part of the deal when you are working with a software that tends to upgrade as much as Dolphin does.

My suggestion is to refrain from purchasing modules that you do not intend to keep as a main focus on your site. This will help reduce the possibility of purchasing a module that no one has any interest in, and causing you to remove it.

 In the world of digital/electronic applications, that is not the case. For example, If you have purchased Windows 7, go ahead and try burning it to CDs and resell them at Walmart. It shouldn't take too long for you to get fined and go to jail. But hey, you purchased it right? Should make you the 'New Owner' as you stated.

Not trying to stir anything here, but you cannot compare apples with oranges.

If reselling will be allowed than who will purchase them from its creator?

don't eat me alive for writing this.................:) 

Well the only problem is honesty of people. If person who sell it really delete all product from their Harddrive than I think owner have right to resell that. Your example with Windows is exactly one reason why I dont like microsoft. ands similar companies who have too restrictive policy and making milliards of money. I think idea that all people are thieves who try rip off developers is terribly wrong. Those who want get an product illegaly almost always find an way so only one who are mainly discrimined are ordinaty people. Eben those who obrain product illegally dont use it for any official site but mostly just play with product. I belive 99%mof people with legal  sites which bring some income use legal components one of reason is that u dont get any support and updates for illegal product I really think if somebody buy an kinda epensive product should have right to resell it if product not needed or IM not satisfied with. If a product will be in cost 5 dollars a give a sh** about it but with kida expensive mods like dolphin mods its somethimng that I really think of...

But you are also right people should also really think twice (at least) before they buy something, try demos, trials etc...

 ok I get your point ....... Maybe my thought was a little loose!

However I have tons of modules and before I asked about swapping for mods I dont have !!  I had people who wanted to exchange mods but then there was others who made it clear it was not right to do so!

There are users who have mods I would like to have, and I have modules I know others would like to have but cannot afford really and swapping or similar would help users be able to grow and try etc!

Saying this if  I was a  developer and someone was selling my mods I would be very upset also !

Would be good if there was some kind of agreement for example:-  users of boonex can swap modules of equal value but without developers support etc! if you want support you then pay a fee or %

I can see this is a subject that could be forever discussed

From my comment where I said  I "was eaten alive"

I think that 'selling and claiming the module is developed by you' is totally different to simply selling on !

 This is not a case of modules becoming outdated due to upgrades. Its due to mods not working with other mods (compatability) and lack of beta testing. Its a market problem again. No one talks to eachother, and when you ask a developer they say "yes their mod will work with so and so" or "it can be made to do this" only to discover that it cant.

These are new mods. I have only been with dolphin for a year, and its bad practice like this that will be the nail in the coffin of this platform.

There's a problem with reselling paid extensions, and that's because someone can purchase them and resell them an unlimited number of times.  There's also the matter of licenses, and some may not allow reselling rights.  You'll need to check with the developer and find out.

Nathan: but than also again ..if we think this way we assuming all customers who wanna sell their mod are thieves who only want ripoff developer, keepproduct and sell it again. I really can not accept this thinking...that most people who want sell their mod are thieves...

Drautenbach: I have been pointing many times that developers have to become much more communicative and make their mods more easily compatible with other by revealing their programming practices, used variables etc... unfortunatelly simply nobody of them cares, except I think Deano all others give a sh** and care only about their income and not compatibility. Hope dolphin reach joomla stage where developers are very active in communications between each other and many extensions are made with compatibility to other best selling module. ..Like in joomla one dev team have no problem gather for free extension from other dev team for free with source code so they can integrate it... here ...no possible...

Not true.  I'm only talking about the legal side of things (read: licenses).

I've seen some people have an idea, purchase a ton of stuff, then have things explode in their face.  I can understand that things like this happen or plans change.

I've also seen some people purchase a ton of stuff, only to immediately release it to others on certain forums, or resell it with others in a pack, thus leaving the developers screwed.  I can understand things like this happen, and those people need to be taken out back and suspended, but that shouldn't ruin things for the people farther above in my post.

I don't believe there's any rules about this, though.  It would be better for an administrator to post here.

Collaborate | Resale | Build a Trusting Community

I have thought about this, and there is a way to do this that all involved are satisfied and protected. of course this would take collaboration from the developers, and honesty from the unity members.

memberA has purchased moduleZ from developer1

member uses a third party resouce, to submit the resale of a copyrighted work. the document would include such things as purchase date, Transaction ID from payment, reason for cause to sale

review of mod developer (support, responsiveness ....), review of the product (did you install it, did you pay somebody to install it, if you installed what was the level of dificulty)

third party would review the application, and collaborate with the mod developer, if mod developer is in agreement, that memberA is the original owner of the module, and agrees to allow resale of the said product: third party resource would allow the module to be uploaded,(collaborate)

license key would be applied, and product would be provided with on the market for download, with a qty 1, so once the module was resold, then it would remove itself from the market.

as a courtesy, the third party resource provider, would make every effort to install the module, the module must comply with the latest standards of the modular system of dolphin. the license would call back on --> Domain | IP |Directory, one or a combination of all three or any

memberA would submit an testament, that all iterations of the resold module have been destroyed, from local drive and server. all backups of the module if any have also been removed. (trust factor). if memberA is found to be dishonest, in regards to destroying the modules, then it would be advertised to all current developers and future developers, that memberA has a bit of an issue with following through on collaboration agreements.

it would be the position that in order for this to work, there would be one central repository for acquiring resold modules.

im sure this could be built-upon, and

could possibly be operated by recycledmods.com

feedback thoughts

I think this is not good to resell 3rd party Modules please don't do that. But its okay to Sell the whole site. :)  

 you are correct, its not the best idea for the developer, however, in making an attempt at considering the unity member who purchased those modules, and are not able to use them, and with the unity member presenting themself as honest, and not looking to get over, but looking to recoup what was spent, i dont see anything wrong with this if the proper channels are put in place, and the collaborative effort between developer "recycledmods.com" and unitymember

is adhered to.

When you sell a site are you not selling all other developers mods ???

anyone get my point with this !

 resell ........!