internet explorer 6 compatible template

is anyone selling template that works with internet explorer 6 for dolphin 7? im willing to pay 100 dolars if someone have

60% of my current joomla based website hits are from internet explorer 6 browser

Dolphin 7 does not support IE6.  Why should it?  IE7 can be downloaded free.

why it should support explorer 6? everyone else including microsoft, google, yahoo etc will support it until 2014.

facebook, youtub and some others that will try to kill it will have only a small part of website, some applications that will not support explorer 6 to make people update. on the other hand boonex website do not support it at all nothing works on ie 6.

It will not matter for you then that means you are running a local site for some western country(according to w3school over 10% of western population use explorer 6 )

otherwise it would matter in some countrs ie 6 is the major explorer

That 10% are not goign to social networking sites :)

lets say that 10% of western users do not go to social sites what about the nonwestern 50%+ (60% in my case) ?

It will work for american sites to drop 10%...

a yahoo guy says like this:

Douglas Crockford, senior JavaScript Architect at Yahoo and creator of JSON :

There is a large class of users who will not install software, even free software. These people use IE6, and there are a lot of them. If you are operating a fringe site that does not appeal to that demographic, then it is smart to drop IE 6 support, freeing yourself and your other users from the many problems associated with the antique browser. If you are operating a mainstream site that appeals broadly to all users and all nations, then regrettably you must continue to support IE 6 until its share drops to insignificance.

The fact is, in most cases, there is no good reason for people NOT to upgrade to IE7.  Why should Boonex support an antique browser just because people don't have enough sense to upgrade?  A lot of Dolphin just wouldn't work with IE6.  Boonex has dropped support for IE6, for good reason..... IE6 = Garbage.

lol do you make website to look on it yourself? i do create websites that others can visit and i dont care about what browser they visit my site from you could atleast try to find some other points "it is not enough to say ie 6 is garbage" even tho it is garbage i dont care. i care that everyone will be able to view my site properly

Then you'll have to use something other than D7.  Good luck.

There is still a good percentage of users who use IE6 as they have other applications that compatable to IE6 and have other many reasons not to upgrade. I can give you a real example: IT Department of Social Services Agency in Santa Clara County, CA. USA still has IE6 on their 5000 users' destops. I am disapointed to find this out. I hope that boonex reconsiders it.   

I would hope that the people of the IT Department are doing their jobs and not screwing around on the internet wasting tax payer dollars.

So you think Boonex should re-code D7 to include IE6 support because the  Social Services Agency in Santa Clara County, CA is too stupid to upgrade their computers?  IE7 has been out for over 3 years!  Three years is an eternity in the PC industry.

I've been cleaning out a storage closet and came across some Windows 95 software, and some other goodies like MSDOS 6.1 installation disks  (5-1/4" floppies... the HD 1.2MB kind).  If you think the  Social Services Agency in Santa Clara County, CA might be able to use this stuff, I'd be happy to send it to 'em.

not sure if your comment has anything to do with the discussion here. My point is to point out there are reasons that people don't upgrade their browser. That is all.

What would those reasons be?  Let's hear one good one.

eddiemoth is right i can only think of three reasons for not upgrading

1. being stupid

2. being lazy

3. not knowing there's an update for i.x 7&8

I was living several years in South East Asia...Myanmar, Laos, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines... Lot of people, even Internet Café, don't have other choice but to use illegal copies of Windows that are not upgradable any more... Some years ago I spent 2 days in Bangkok looking for a genuine Windows XP. All that I found was an empty box :-)) I think that this situation could be quite the same in other asian countries, Africa or South America, in poor countries or for poor people...

That is true. We can't deny the fact that there are computers in the world that still have IE6 for whatever reason is. Don't get me wrong Boonex produces great products and Dolphin is one of the best products in the world that is why I am here. I will use Dolphin 7 regardless and I would hope that people don't get slapped with sarcastic attacks just because they hope for a change and give suggestions here if we call it Unity.

Youtube and the other main social networking sites are now phasing out IE6.  If the industry standard is to phase out support for IE6 why should we ask boonex to limit itself in terms of functions?

The fact comes down to this, if you need to design a site where the majority of users use an antiquated browser, then dolphin 7 is not for you.

Youtube works great on my IE6 browser.

None of the main social networking sites will phase out IE6 until Microsoft does, you can read on microsoft.com that they will continue support til 2014 if they manage to get IE6 users toabout 10% worldwide. It is between 10-15% in the western world, at most other places it is the major browser like MichaelSwiss said it is even up to 80-90% in some third nation

Youtube works right now on IE6 but they are phasing out all support for it.  Once that occurs either it will work with your setup or not but they will not change their code in the future to ensure it works with IE6.

Wow!  I'm reading this post because I just had a member send me some screen shots of what my site looks like in his browser (IE 6).  It was a hideous mess.

Now of course I sent him links to download all the current versions of web browsers.  However, I can't help but wonder how many other people have experienced this problem.   I now average almost 1,000 new visitors a day.  More than half of these visitors use IE.  I just checked my analytics account, and I had over 2,000 visitors in the last month come to my site using IE6.  That's 2,000 people that will definitely never, ever come back.

I know there is no solving this problem.  I'm just a little sad right now.

I suppose I need to put some big warning messages on my site.

How long are people going to kick this dead horse?  If someone visits your Dolphin 7 site with IE6, they should see a great big banner across the page like this:



In the time they used taking screen shots and emailing them, they could have installed one of the 4 browsers whose icons are emblazoned across the banner to the left of the great big bold text "You are using an outdated browser". 

If these people aren't smart enough to upgrade or install a modern browser, they're probably not smart enough to use a Dolphin site either..... so nothing is really lost.

Too see what your site looks like in IE6 and other browsers, go here: https://browserlab.adobe.com/index.html

THIS PERSON IS COMPLETELY RIGHT! WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE SUPPORT OF THESE GREAT WEB BROWSERS! TO NOT DO THIS IS COMMUNISM!!!

I also posted about this here: http://www.boonex.com/unity/forums/#topic/Critical-Issue-Internet-Explorer-Login.htm

Please support my topic, too!

RE:

Don't make me hurt you.

Didn't find it funny?

Thank you for reminding me. I was going to implement this, just never got around to it.

Like you, I believe that a website should be as viewable & friendly to as many people/browsers as possible. BUT ... you have to draw the line somewhere!

IE6 was popular with WindowsXP. WindowsXP on the other hand has been around since the year 2000, now a whopping 10 years old. In computer and internet terms 10 years is not just old or almost ancient anymore. It is ancient history !!! You're not quite correct about the 2014 support for IE6 either. What happened is that when WindowsVista (with IE7) was released it did so poorly and thousands of big money paying corporations across the globe complained about the need for additional support of their XP OS since they refused to "upgrade" ??? their businesses to WinVista. In reality support for WinXP Pro was supposed to stop last summer in most places around the world.

The only reason why WindowsXP Pro still has official support until 2014 is due to the many complaints, threats of lawsuits, and very real possibility of losing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue to corporations which might choose to partner with more economically efficient Linux vendors instead. Believe it or not, but Linux is becoming a very real threat to MS. It's gotten so bad (good ???) that last year one of the heads of MS was dispatched to Europe when MS found out that some counties were considering dropping MS windows with combined MS office packages in lieu of Linux Ubuntu with OpenOffice packages. Well, guess what? MS lost out big time because they couldn't get some of those counties to change their minds. Even I changed all of my professional apps after 18 years with MS to Linux Ubuntu instead. It was a crap load of work for the first 3 months, learning tons of stuff new, but I'll never regret the decision. Ubuntu is better than Windows 7, no kidding (my opinion).
Sorry, we're getting off-topic though.

Fact of the matter is that IE6 was an integral part of WindowsXP and when MS decided to continue supporting windowsXP until the year 2014, they pretty much had no choice but to continue offering support for that ancient and defunct IE6 browser too ... since some of those huge corporations with thousands and thousands of computers might also still be using IE6.

As houstonlively already pointed out, as far as community developers are concerned though, especially for massiv projects such as D7, it would be sheer folly to pursue the compatibility with IE6 since this would clearly diminish the functionality for the millions and millions of IE7, IE8, and other upgraded third party browsers (Firefox and others) around the world. It's time to move on and get everything up to par with at least IE7.

If your stats really show 60% of IE6 users, then I believe your stats software is either outdated thereby counting ALL IE hits as IE6 hits, or perhaps your stats aren't set up right. I mean, even most third world countries with donated WindowsXP gift machines are more than likely updated to IE7 standards since that's part of the auto-update function that's included in some of the DOZENS of languages that WindowsXP is available in ....

RE:

There's nothing to implement.  It's already there.  (At the end of _sub_header.html)

It would appear so:

Hmmm. Well then. I somehow was thinking that boonex did not put in any browser checks.

has anyone created a template for d7 that work on IE6.

i need one for my site.

now dont ask me why because its the same reason that i have many visitors from IE6, i know IE 9 is coming out soon, but there are a lot of people coming to my site from IE6, i need a template for IE6.

nobody has created a template, its simply not logical. Dolphin 7 will not run on IE6, thus spending time trying to reverse engineer technological advancement is obscene.

there essentially is not functionality that would prove productive in trying to create a 'template' for IE6, on a Dolphin 7 platform.

cheers dosdawg

so what else can i do to make it work on IE6.

put it this way that it a absolute necessity for me to have it on IE6 as i cannot change the whole system i am trying to create the site for...

i have around 10,000+ people who can join my site few months if i get it working on IE6

Redirecting older users to another site would only create more problems. You'd be better off creating stylesheets specifically for Internet Explorer 6, but that's still not solving the real problem: people using an outdated browser which doesn't support modern standards (or even transparent PNG images).

well i would say your options are in fact to run two different sites, and it was suggested that you have the browser check, and if IE6 then it would redirect to a Dolphin 6 installation. but there is no way you are going to get the same functionality from Dolphin 6 that we have on Dolphin 7.

take a look at just the profiles table, your authentication is not done with the password MD5 hash, as well as SALT encryption on dolphin 7, this is not available on dolphin 6. the entire database and file structure changed from dolphin 6.1.6 ---> dolphin 7.

so you options are to run a Dolphin 6.1.6 in conjunction with your Dolphin 7.0.x or just run the dolphin 6.x.x environment until your statistics are of such that upgrading your network to dolphin 7 would be a feasible approach.

you can also in conjunction with the IE 6 browser check notify the user of their browser being incompatible, and suggest installing chrome or firefox. personally i dont use any IE.

its not that simple for me mate. i have considered that, but these 10000 visitors cannot upgrade the IE simply beacuse tey are not administrators on these computers.

the problem is they cannot upgrade to IE6 because they are not authorised to do it and they cannot request it to be upgraded either, so i have to work around my site to make it compatible to IE6.

its a organisation which still uses windows  XP and IE6, every user have their own login system for the computer network in this organisation.

the organisation might upgrade their operating system in future (may be in next 5years), ut i cannot wait for them to upgrade the whole network. i need to get my site working on their network so users can visit my site on daily basis.

i have this site on D7 which is doing alright at the moment,  and there is this 10000+ people who can be all using my site on daily basis if i can get IE6 compatibility for my site.

now i have two questions :-

1. would creating a different template for IE6 (IE6 compatible css files in a new template) make my site compatible with IE6 (if i can direct the browser that if its IE6 then uses the css from IE6 template if its any other browser then use a standard dolphin template)??

2. Are there more changes needed to be made in the core ?

running a D6 site is not a option for me as i have my site very much customised according to my needs for my users, and i cannot do all this in D6.

there will be no point i will not achieve what i am trying to in D6.

There's a term for your situation.  It's called SOL.  Getting Dolphin to run in IE6, simply isn't an option.  I suggest you pass on this magic word to the IT department responsible for all these computers: Firefox

lol, you are damn right here man.

this was one hope to get my site to achieve more users quickly, but it does not seem to be working.

cheers for your input though guys.

hello guys, am back on the same topic again as this very very important to me now.

i have facebook integration from DERARTMEDIA  ( http://www.boonex.com/unity/extensions/entry/Facebook_Ultimate_Module_All_in_One/ ) on my d7 site at the moment, and i want the same type of mod in my other site which can run on IE6.

do you guys know any of the similar facebook mod for D6 ? i would even consider using a different CMS than Dolphin 6 if facebook integration is good.

please send your suggestions.

cheers

I'm unaware of any (they only started popping-up last year). You can always try having one created, though the result would be a questionable one. I would cut my losses and abandon all who refuse to upgrade, but that's just me.

i know mate, and i agree.

the problem is these people are not able to upgrade even if they want to. and i dont want to lose the oppurtunity.

i hope to find some way.

cheers

Even if you were to find a IE6 compatible template, the template is not the only thing to consider. Dolphin uses other technologies that may not work on IE6.

cheerz deano,

thats my main problem, i can write a new template for IE6 and redirect everyone coming from IE6 to that template and rest of the users to another template.

but i dont know about what things will i need to work on in dolphine core as on php, xml etc etc to make it compatible with IE6.

i am guessing its simply not ganna work.

what do you recon ?