Windows 10; a legal nightmare waiting to happen

If you are operating a site that must meet certain legal conditions, such as HIPPA compliance, then you may want to consider blocking access to your servers from Window 10 machines.  Under the new agreements that accompanies Window 10, not just the EULA but the entire agreement that Microsoft makes difficult to read due to splitting it up in parts and telling one to paste aka.ms/xxx into their browser address bar, Microsoft can access and store just about anything you do with a Windows 10 machine.  If you have a client accessing patient information on your server using IE11 or Edge; or really any other browser, then it is possible that Microsoft could store that patient information on their servers.  This is not a Tin Foil claim, it is real and is a part of the agreement that users are agreeing to when they install Windows 10.

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Quote · 24 Sep 2015

It sucks when you need to hire a lawyer just to comprehend terms and conditions. I just got a free cell phone upgrade, and had to agree to a 23 page TOS .... in 8pt type.  AT&T puts the thing in a tiny little, insignificant box on their website to make it look like something trivial. I couldn't read the damn thing on the screen, so I decided to just select it all and print it. I then stood by the printer while it spewed out page after page.  What I hate even more than a 23 page TOS just to get a replacement phone, is the deliberate deception of trying to make it look like some tiny little bit of text on their website.... the 23 pages are in a little scrolling text box about 300px wide and only about 6 lines are displayed.  You scroll through 23  pages 100 characters at a time.  People that perpetuate this shit need to be water boarded.

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Quote · 24 Sep 2015

 

People that perpetuate this shit need to be water boarded.

houstonlively for President! :)

 

Quote · 24 Sep 2015

 

houstonlively for President! :)

 Great idea!  My first day in office I will place the entire Microsoft & AT&T  Boards of Directors in medieval stockades, in the middle of a dog park.

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Quote · 25 Sep 2015

remind me the movie Citizenfour about spying 

basically if this movie is true you cant hide nothing so why bother yourself on this

 

maybe we will  return writing down on papers in a few years Wink

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Quote · 25 Sep 2015

Many will repeat the mantra that today no one has any privacy so we should just be good little sheep and keep our eyes closed.  That is bullshit.  Many OSes don't come with a 40 plus page document stating that if you use any of the services; which includes the OS, the web browser, the calendar, anything on the computer, that you give permission to the software company to copy your content to their servers so they can sell it to third parties.  Now the NSA can just go to Microsoft and subpoena for information on anyone.  The condition I outlined with HIPPA is a real concern because it is quite possible that confidential patient information could end up sitting on Microsoft's servers when someone accesses the site using Windows 10 and IE11/Edge.  One might not even need to be using Windows 10 as they are changing the EULA for the browsers as well; download the latest IE to your Windows 7/8 machine and you may be giving Micorsoft permission to copy your browsing to their servers.

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Quote · 25 Sep 2015

You could install Windows 10 on a laptop, make sure there is no personally identifying information anywhere on it, drive around looking for unsecured wifi hotpoints  and do your internet surfing that way. 

 

OR, you can create an underground of wifi hotpoints hooked up through some proxy somewhere where they can't be backtraced and allow people to hook to them anonymously. 

 

When someone creates shit like this, the people will eventually revolt and find a way around it. --- Intrnet security --- a true example of an oxy-moron.

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Quote · 25 Sep 2015

One could also thumb their nose at Microsoft and switch to Linux which does not claim any control of your content/data.  The problem is that the masses that are switching to Window 10 because Microsoft pushed an update to Windows 7 and 8 that constantly nags them to upgrade won't be reading a 40 page document; they will click on the recommended by Microsoft easy install and let it go.

Ask yourself why Microsoft, which has bent over backwards to prevent users from using Windows for free; including an activation scheme that often bonked legal copies of Windows, is now willing to give the software away for free.  It is because this current scheme is about data mining to sell to third parties; the idea is to try and get some of the pie that Google has.

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Quote · 25 Sep 2015

Exerpt from Microsoft's Privacy Statement

 

I'm not sure that the Microsoft surveillance is limited to Win 10

 

"Your privacy is important to us. This privacy statement explains what personal data we collect from you and how we use it. It applies to Bing, Cortana, MSN, Office, OneDrive, Outlook.com, Skype, Windows, Xbox and other Microsoft services that display this statement. References to Microsoft services in this statement include Microsoft websites, apps, software and devices." 

 

Microsoft collects data to operate effectively and provide you the best experiences with our services. You provide some of this data directly, such as when you create a Microsoft account, submit a search query to Bing, speak a voice command to Cortana, upload a document to OneDrive, or contact us for support. We get some of it by recording how you interact with our services by, for example, using technologies like cookies, and receiving error reports or usage data from software running on your device.

We also obtain data from third parties (including other companies). For example, we supplement the data we collect by purchasing demographic data from other companies. We also use services from other companies to help us determine a location based on your IP address in order to customize certain services to your location.

The data we collect depends on the services and features you use, and includes the following.

Name and contact data. We collect your first and last name, email address, postal address, phone number, and other similar contact data.

Credentials. We collect passwords, password hints, and similar security information used for authentication and account access.

Demographic data. We collect data about you such as your age, gender, country and preferred language.

Interests and favorites. We collect data about your interests and favorites, such as the teams you follow in a sports app, the stocks you track in a finance app, or the favorite cities you add to a weather app. In addition to those you explicitly provide, your interests and favorites may also be inferred or derived from other data we collect.

Payment data. We collect data necessary to process your payment if you make purchases, such as your payment instrument number (such as a credit card number), and the security code associated with your payment instrument.

Usage data. We collect data about how you interact with our services. This includes data, such as the features you use, the items you purchase, the web pages you visit, and the search terms you enter. This also includes data about your device, including IP address, device identifiers, regional and language settings, and data about the network, operating system, browser or other software you use to connect to the services. And it also includes data about the performance of the services and any problems you experience with them.

Contacts and relationships. We collect data about your contacts and relationships if you use a Microsoft service to manage contacts, or to communicate or interact with other people or organizations.

Location data. We collect data about your location, which can be either precise or imprecise. Precise location data can be Global Position System (GPS) data, as well as data identifying nearby cell towers and Wi-Fi hotspots, we collect when you enable location-based services or features. Imprecise location data includes, for example, a location derived from your IP address or data that indicates where you are located with less precision, such as at a city or postal code level.

Content. We collect content of your files and communications when necessary to provide you with the services you use. This includes: the content of your documents, photos, music or video you upload to a Microsoft service such as OneDrive. It also includes the content of your communications sent or received using Microsoft services, such as the:

  • subject line and body of an email,
  • text or other content of an instant message,
  • audio and video recording of a video message, and
  • audio recording and transcript of a voice message you receive or a text message you dictate.

Additionally, when you contact us, such as for customer support, phone conversations or chat sessions with our representatives may be monitored and recorded. If you enter our retail stores, your image may be captured by our security cameras.

You have choices about the data we collect. When you are asked to provide personal data, you may decline. But if you choose not to provide data that is necessary to provide a service, you may not be able to use some features or services.

Service-specific sections below describe additional data collection practices applicable to use of those services.

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Quote · 25 Sep 2015

That part about "your privacy is important to us", is a fucking joke.

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Quote · 25 Sep 2015

I'm sorry, but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.   Go ahead and block people that use Windows 10, if you want to kill your entire user base.   Do you have any clue how many people use Windows 10 already?   It only has a 5% marketshare now I believe, but you can expect that # to skyrocket.

 

Why don't you block google chrome too because google participates in Prism while you're at it.    I honestly wonder sometimes when I read forum posts like this. 

Quote · 25 Sep 2015

 

I'm sorry, but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.   Go ahead and block people that use Windows 10, if you want to kill your entire user base.   Do you have any clue how many people use Windows 10 already?   It only has a 5% marketshare now I believe, but you can expect that # to skyrocket.

 

Why don't you block google chrome too because google participates in Prism while you're at it.    I honestly wonder sometimes when I read forum posts like this. 

 

I'm not in the habit of defending GG, but clearly, the point she was making flew way over your head.  Read that first line again and pay closer attention to punctuation.  Sorry, you don't get to bash GG after being a member here for a mere week.  If there's any GG bashing to do, that's MY job.

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Quote · 26 Sep 2015

Yeah! So There! and if anyone gets to bash HL, It's me! I'm a master at it... 

 

noobs, lol

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Quote · 26 Sep 2015

 

 

I'm sorry, but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.   Go ahead and block people that use Windows 10, if you want to kill your entire user base.   Do you have any clue how many people use Windows 10 already?   It only has a 5% marketshare now I believe, but you can expect that # to skyrocket.

 

Why don't you block google chrome too because google participates in Prism while you're at it.    I honestly wonder sometimes when I read forum posts like this. 

 

I'm not in the habit of defending GG, but clearly, the point she was making flew way over your head.  Read that first line again and pay closer attention to punctuation.  Sorry, you don't get to bash GG after being a member here for a mere week.  If there's any GG bashing to do, that's MY job.

 

The first line clearly said block windows 10 machines, that's a HORRIBLE suggestion.  Whether you like it or not, windows 10 is going to be the most popular OS within a year.   I hear people complaining about this windows 10 license agreement all the the time, it's not going to change anything, people are going to use windows 10 regardless, that's reality.   Nobody is going to not install an operating system to use a website.  It already almost has half the market share of Windows 8.

 

There was also a poor example given, Windows isn't going to store patient information for medical records, it happens to be against the law.   There are confidentiality laws that prevent that kind of thing.   They should be more worried about the servers the data is stored on, as if any information ever got stored/leaked, that'd be more likely than microsoft logging it.   And seriously, who uses Internet explorer or edge anyways?   Everyone knows microsoft browsers are garbage.   The only browser that has more abysmal performance for HTML5 is IE11 and down. 

Quote · 26 Sep 2015

You are still missing the point, but I have no reason to explain it to you.  I have a feeling it would just be a waste of typing. 

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Quote · 26 Sep 2015

 

if anyone gets to bash HL, It's me! I'm a master at it..

 You have at least, paid your dues around here.  Hows things in the auto theft business?

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Quote · 26 Sep 2015
 
 
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