Uploading Files.

Hello ALL,

I have a question about uploading files to Dolphin.

The new Dolphin 7 comes with inbuilt YouTube video function, which is AWSOME! However.. I would like to know, if you can make it a "single option", meaning that it's only possible to use the youtube on the site?

The reason why I am asking this, is because it's a MAJOR job for the site owners, if they have 100.000 memebers to control everything that the users want to upload. However, due to the LAW we MUST, since we can get sued for MILLIONS of Dollars, if we do not protect and follow the copyright law.

The cool thing about having youtube is that it's youtube's job to clean up between the legal and illegal. This makes the job a LOT easier.

The way Dolphin is now, you can't disable the video function without killing everything incl YouTube.

I'm not sure how it is for the file section.

So to sum up:

I would like an option, that I (as a site owner) can BLOCK all uploads to the site, to protect my self, and avoid taking risks. I want it to be possible to block everything.. Files, Music, Videos etc, but still keep YouTube as an option.

Let me know if you can do this in the RC2.

UPDATE (For those who don't want to read the entire thread)

This feature is IMPORTANT because:

1) Disk-space cost a LOT of money! Having 100.000 - 200.000 users to upload files is really a MAJOR expense!

2) BandWidht cost money!

3) People should have the option to use youtube only rather than dealing with the trouble because SOME people think it's a "drastic" proceedure. If BoonEx DON'T want to do it, then say it like that, rather than making up excuses.

Buttom line is, This is a VALUABLE and IMPORTANT feature, that will save people LOTS of money on BW and diskspace, not to mention the hassle that some people dissagree about with the copyrights etc.. (Not all countries have the same law, don't forget that!!!)

Your terms and conditions should umm "protect" you from legalities. If you would like to monitor what gets uploaded, go into your admin panel, click modules, click the settings option on the top right of the block, and remove the "auto-approve" checkmark. Just be aware that all videos will need your approval before they become available to your members, so check often if you have 100,000 members.

Wrong,

It is your duty as site owner to remove the data that is illegal. That's why people so often get sued. Just because you don't upload it, don't mean that it can be there.

Furthermore, it's not the main point. Main point is to avoid getting in trouble, when there is no need. It should'nt be THAT hard to make youtube a seperate thing. This way all problems are gone.

P.s. With 100.000 users, you would do nothing else all day then sit and accept / decline videos if you put on manual. And frankly, I want to have a life besides running a site.

P.p.s. To reply you next question about "hire people to do it".. sure I can, if you can pay :)

Yeah but the basic question that the O.P posted still remains un-answered ... i.e. how to disable all kind of site uploads on the site but allow embedding/linking to other sites. I would love to have this feature as well as I don't want users to upload videos on my site, I only want them to link/embed youtube videos. Why re-invent the wheel - use your server bandwidth/resources etc when youtube already provides you an existing infrastructure.

My post was a bit of sarcasm to a degree. If someone is wanting to "sue" you over a video or any other media that has been uploaded, Im sure they will try to find a way.

P.S. There is a way to disable the options except for Embed, but It would consist of a code change. Cannot look at work, so I would have to check when I get home. Best practice of course is to periodically monitor your site's content.

P.S.S Never said to hire anyone but sure I can pay for it, if you give me access to your account :)

Exactly!

Hehe good one!

But all jokes a side, maybe you know, but there are some of us that don't know, and don't like to edit the code!

That's why we make a post, and let them(BoonEx) figure it out.

What people would be uploading is music etc, which IS illegal and under copyright. So it's just a major pain in the ass to delet all these things. Worry for nothing.

As I, and "mickscool" stated above, why spend our time and resources when YouTube has staff hired to do it?

Nice one ! it would be better as you all agree to have an option in admin area to disable the regular and flash upload and even record upload and keep only Embed a video that make away all the hassle !

I can't afford to pay an agent , by the way my site is free to use , of course i can afford running a site as long as it cost me a 10 a month + removing the add every 90 days that will do me every 90 days lol

I think boonex devlp they should do something about it :)

Peace.

@ mickscool

emcct's concerns were precisely answered by my reply.  Emcct was concerned about users uploading copyrighted material, and was inquiring about a drastic, and unnecessary, action to protect himself from liability.  My reply outlined that protection from U.S. copyrights.  Other countries may have additional proceedures.

You don't think YouTube monitors every video uploaded to their site... do you?   There's a ton of copyrighted material on Youtube.  For them to remove it, they need to receive a notice that is sent to their registered agent, BY the copyright owner or the copyright owner's agent(s).  If a site owner could be easily sued for copyrighted media uploaded to their sites, their would be a boatload of people in court.

Bottom line: Site owners do not have to constantly police media uploads to their site for copyright infringements, in fact, the less they do that, the better.   Make it the job of the copyright owner to follow proper proceedure to get the infringing material removed.

Just one more thing to add embedding youtube videos will not free you totally from copyright infringements. You still might need staff if your site is big enough to remove these embedded youtube videos too.

In the past, most of my 200+ videos were on top categories in youtube and I was usually the top director of the week/month/year lol until my account got banned due to some copyright claims :D

And now I just embed youtube videos  on my site that other people post and still I keep getting these copyright removal notices now and then and need to moderate the site now and then....

So, I don't think embedding will free you from all the copyright woes but yeah it would save some bucks and hassles for sure in terms of video uploading related stuff.

It really boils down to your country's laws. In certain EU countries (my case), you must always show proof that you diligently and effectively informed users of your terms of use, and that, if you spot or are notified by others of any type of abuse you act upon it immediately. If it is shown that you have been warned of any ilegal activity going on and you do not remedy it, you are in trouble.

There is a mod out there, I think it is by Aramis, that displays (ajax) a terms window before uploading any materials which users must accept (i.e. whereby you diligently inform user of do's and cannot do's). It is always a hassle to add these types of things, but, again, depending on the laws in your country, you just have to cover yourself.

Best thing to do, of course, is to hire a lawyer to audit your site, tell you what you need to do to comply, and draft all legal lingo....

If i can just get a code for it i will remove them now ! But we would like to see this feature in D7 .

Thanks Houston,

I understand that you explained in detail how emcct or anyone running a site can protect themselves from liability or unncessary court trips.  And I also thank you for those references as I am checking them out as well...

My only concern was, you just elaborated on the reason but not on the cause.  It would had been nice of you, if you could elaborate on the cause a bit as well and tell how to stop uploading and just have embedding enabled. Might help others like me who have similar but slight different usecases/reasons then emctt ..

Peace !!!

why some countries they don't get no hassle for copyright ? ( african countries) and when it comes to europe and usa everything is copyrightted even your dreams are copyrighted and you should not dream the same as another person you may sue for it lol

Because writing laws is meaningless if they cannot be enforced.

ok....found the final VERY RAW solution!

open modules/boonex/videos/classes/BxVideosUploader.php locate:

function serviceGenVideoUploadForm($aExtras = array()) {
return $this->GenMainAddVideoForm($aExtras);

}

function GenMainAddVideoForm($aExtras = array()) {
return $this->_GenMainAddCommonForm($aExtras);

}

change it in:

function serviceGenVideoUploadForm($aExtras = array()) {
//return $this->GenMainAddVideoForm($aExtras);
return $this->_getEmbedFormFile();
}

function GenMainAddVideoForm($aExtras = array()) {
//return $this->_GenMainAddCommonForm($aExtras);
return $this->_getEmbedFormFile();
}

then rename modules/boonex/videos/templates/base/extra_switcher.html in extra_switcher.html.old

WARNING: with this mod you can use only embed videos!

After this the selector for video's type wont be showed, up and it show only embed...but please someone open a ticket for this...we need a serious fix for this...everyone can select if want or not embed/recorded/uploaded and the SIZE of videos!

Thank

Ticket please....

Crippling your site by disabling all video uploads is an unnecessary, and drastic proceedure.

I don't agree that it's unnecessary. I have less to worry about.. I don't use disk space or BW. So the way I see it, it's a major win win win situation for everyone.

Furthermore, It's an option that people can turn on / off if they wish. You for instance, can leave your on, and deal with the worry with what the users upload etc. Oh, and your disk-space and BW also.

Ticket please...

up!

This feature is IMPORTANT because:

1) Disk-space cost a LOT of money! Having 100.000 - 200.000 users to upload files is really a MAJOR expense!

2) BandWidht cost money!

3) People should have the option to use youtube only rather than dealing with the trouble because SOME people think it's a "drastic" proceedure. If BoonEx DON'T want to do it, then say it like that, rather than making up excuses.

Buttom line is, This is a VALUABLE and IMPORTANT feature, that will save people LOTS of money on BW and diskspace, not to mention the hassle that some people dissagree about with the copyrights etc.. (Not all countries have the same law, don't forget that!!!)

Although your concept is somewhat legit, I do not see the PUSH for a ticket on this. I have yet to see a Dolphin site with 100,000-200,000 legit and active members. I would love to see yours :)

I can see where this might be an option later on down the line, but  would not get my hopes up at finding this in RC2 or even D7 final. Your best bet may be to "hack" the code as mentioned earlier OR possible wait for a MOD for D7. You also have the option to change your upload file size limits to like 5MB or something.

Most web hasting packages come standard now with a few hundred GIG of disk space. If you dropped your file size to 5MB with a 200Gig (medium size) site, then that still allows you 40,960 videos (for example).

Just my opinion.

I spoke to Victor about this earlier today. I didn't know that they were only fixing bugs for the RC2 and Final.

The reason why I would still like a ticket, is because I don't want this forgotten. I know a lot of memebers would like this as well, since it saves money and gives a better security AND less work!

If a ticket is made for 7.1 then I know it's there, rather than forgotten, because god knows when 7.1 is out, and if we still would remember to notice this in 6 months?

I would support this one as well...it's always good to have an option as to which modes of upload you would like to enable/disable for watever reasons for videos, photos, sounds etc. I would love to see this it in 7.1.

The same as here i support this option if not then we would like to be given a hack if that possible :)

I don't want to be hummerd by the copyright agents that's my first reason lol .

Peace and bread ,

Eli .

7.1 Ticket please!

UP!

UP!

TICKET PLEASE FOR 7.1

up..

Ticket was created:

http://www.boonex.com/trac/dolphin/ticket/1567

Regard

Thanks LeonidS!

You are my new hero!

Are you however sure that the description is detailed enough? Can you please put the link of this thread in it as well? Maybe my english is bad, but I didn't understand the description, and I don't want to have the ticket closed in 6months because of an miss-undertsanding.

Thanks again.