Hi,
I am using add-free dolphin version.but the problem is that i donot have rms setting,i asked my hosts,they suggested me dedicated server,i tried to use boonex rms,but i donot have port number and http port.so i could not use this one too.could any one please give me boonex port codes.or can anyone please give me as a rent of his or her server,so that i can use flash programs in my website,thanks
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The BoonEx RMS server was retired last year, meaning that unless your web hosting provider provides a RMS server for you to use, you will have to manage one yourself, which requires a VPS or dedicated web hosting package. You can also purchase RMS hosting from some web hosting providers. Terabyte Hosting Solutions offers RMS hosting free on most of their web hosting packages, as well as RMS hosting itself starting at $10.00/month. BoonEx Certified Host: Zarconia.net - Fully Supported Shared and Dedicated for Dolphin |
The BoonEx RMS server was retired last year, meaning that unless your web hosting provider provides a RMS server for you to use, you will have to manage one yourself, which requires a VPS or dedicated web hosting package. You can also purchase RMS hosting from some web hosting providers. Terabyte Hosting Solutions offers RMS hosting free on most of their web hosting packages, as well as RMS hosting itself starting at $10.00/month.
when i was trying to purchase the plan.this website demanding my boonex user name and password,i think this is fraud,why they need our password. and secondly it is not a registered company.so it is only a risk to pay them .do you know anyone else.thanks
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Magnussoft, you do know about our FREE RMS HOSTING, as we have communicated about it. I guess you just forgot.
Or do you and I have some problem I am unaware of?
And an update, we are looking into running RED5 on Port 80, for those behind a firewall... on the request of some of our users... will configure that next week.
Warm regards,
Smoge
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Hi,
Give my RMS a free trial. No risk as you have 9 days to cancel if you are not happy. 2 days for setup and 7 days for the trial.
http://www.boonex.com/unity/extensions/entry/7_Day_Trial_Ray_RMS_Connection
Thanks,
Jimmy DolphinInstalls.com
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You will NOT find any other company more loyal and trust worthy as Terabyte Hosting Solutions. This info they request is to also help later on if you should run into problems. If you do not have a up and running site such with running Flash apps, then why so worried with nothing really there of interest? Of course it is your choice, but they are the best I have found, and they host my RMS for my Paranormal website. You possess an intuitive intelligence so powerful it can help you heal, and relieve stress. |
We made an enhancement - our RMS now runs on port 80 for RTMP, which is helpful for those of you with users behind firewalls.
We also now have separate ADULT and NON-ADULT shared servers. Of course, dedicated RMS instances are also available.
Emails with the information went out to our current users today.
-Smoge
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I cant believe that this RMS dependency has made it this far. IMHO its a not so good model and in most peoples views, another angle to squeeze some more cash out of someone. Seriously, its a wierd thing when you look at all the other engines out there, its like they were trying to reinvent the wheel.
Its good to see some come forward and host the server for free as an alternative since Boonex took theirs out. (Im new so I wasnt aware of this until I tried setting it up only to find another monthly bill lying in wait)
Its also feasible I guess you can run a darn good site without even using it in the first place. Looking at some of the talented people around I guess it (hopefully!) wouldnt be long before someone digs into mods* that remove the need to use this system, or Boonex sees how much this is disliked. Dolphin is a neat product, and has some serious potential.
*Ive already found some talk about it on a few websites. (keeps fingers crossed)
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WOW. looks like the days of free on Unity have to end judging from the post on modmysite.com, he has been banned from Boonex for offering Free RMS to Boonex members in the post above, I guess the same has happened to Jimmy at jctwebsites?
Competition is good, without it dictators control & there is no Unity in that, now we have even less support for D7.
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WOW. looks like the days of free on Unity have to end judging from the post on modmysite.com, he has been banned from Boonex for offering Free RMS to Boonex members in the post above, I guess the same has happened to Jimmy at jctwebsites?
Competition is good, without it dictators control & there is no Unity in that, now we have even less support for D7.
I've contacted DosDawg for his side of the story. I suggest everyone wait before making any claims. I can't help but feel there's another reason for this announcement of theirs.
Regarding Jimmy, he has not been banned. If he is not logging into his account here, that is of his own choice. If you need to contact him, I suggest you do it through his web site or email account.
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Yes he has evidently been banned. From what I understand it was DosDawg, and has more to do with personal differences than with forum rules, which in my opinion is an abuse of the trust given when made a moderator.
I actually think that this whole thing is a crock of shite, whats wrong with offering free stuff??? I do not see it as advertising - just helping others out in the Dolphin community. And sure - yes he may get some kudos for doing so, and maybe that would encourage people to buy more services from him, but last time I looked, you guys were proud of living in a democracy that held free enterprise with high regards.
I mean - FFS - why penalise people trying to help the Dolphin community???? it should take all of the help it can get, after all, it's not like Boonex are even remotely interested in helping it's customers out.
HL The relative usefulness of the free RMS hosting has nothing to do with the issue here - if it doesn't suit your site - simply don't use it, but my guess is that with the half dozen members that you have, it would do just fine. (if you're gonna bag someone - expect to get bagged back in return)
I have about 20 free mods here, and more on my site, and I point users here in the forums to them quite often when they have issues. No one has banned me, or asked me to stop posting links to my tutorials. What's the difference??
None. that's what.
Do any of your posts get deleted when you point everyone with a hosting question to terabyte?????
Nope.
Double standards - pure and simple.
And before you all get very self righteous and bang on about modmysite promoting stolen mods, perhaps you should take 5 and review Boonex's policy regarding items posted for sale.
I suggest someone at Boonex sorts this out.
/DM
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If there is even a remote question of a conflict of interest (and in this instance, there is), that moderator should not be the one to ban or moderate that topic. If there is real concern, he should refer the matter to Boonex (not another moderator). You have got to be seen to be doing the right thing. It is no good your friends jumping to your defence.
If Boonex had banned modmysite as a negative influence (due to it's 'Null' D6 products) I would well and truly understand. This one, I do not.
Yes he has evidently been banned. From what I understand it was DosDawg, and has more to do with personal differences than with forum rules, which in my opinion is an abuse of the trust given when made a moderator.
I actually think that this whole thing is a crock of shite, whats wrong with offering free stuff??? I do not see it as advertising - just helping others out in the Dolphin community. And sure - yes he may get some kudos for doing so, and maybe that would encourage people to buy more services from him, but last time I looked, you guys were proud of living in a democracy that held free enterprise with high regards.
I mean - FFS - why penalise people trying to help the Dolphin community???? it should take all of the help it can get, after all, it's not like Boonex are even remotely interested in helping it's customers out.
HL The relative usefulness of the free RMS hosting has nothing to do with the issue here - if it doesn't suit your site - simply don't use it, but my guess is that with the half dozen members that you have, it would do just fine. (if you're gonna bag someone - expect to get bagged back in return)
I have about 20 free mods here, and more on my site, and I point users here in the forums to them quite often when they have issues. No one has banned me, or asked me to stop posting links to my tutorials. What's the difference??
None. that's what.
Do any of your posts get deleted when you point everyone with a hosting question to terabyte?????
Nope.
Double standards - pure and simple.
And before you all get very self righteous and bang on about modmysite promoting stolen mods, perhaps you should take 5 and review Boonex's policy regarding items posted for sale.
I suggest someone at Boonex sorts this out.
/DM
Thanks DeeEmm, I meant 'Null'ed'
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If there is even a remote question of a conflict of interest (and in this instance, there is), that moderator should not be the one to ban or moderate that topic. If there is real concern, he should refer the matter to Boonex (not another moderator). You have got to be seen to be doing the right thing. It is no good your friends jumping to your defence.
If Boonex had banned modmysite as a negative influence (due to it's 'clean' D6 products) I would well and truly understand. This one, I do not.
AFAIK 'Clean' simply refers to the removal of some of the bloat, such as callbacks (ironically now removed by Boonex themselves). It is not 'Nulled' which is something different.
/DM
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HL The relative usefulness of the free RMS hosting has nothing to do with the issue here - if it doesn't suit your site - simply don't use it, but my guess is that with the half dozen members that you have, it would do just fine. (if you're gonna bag someone - expect to get bagged back in return)
Who lit the fuse on your tampon? Sometimes your responses are downright idiotic. I just stated what was obvious to me. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, odds are it's a duck. My observation, although having nothing to do with ducks, is based on the same principles of observation.
BTW.... the usefullness has everything to do with it. It's just like arvixe.... you offer something really cheap, or free in this case, and as soon as the 'customers' site shows any sign of life whatsoever, you inform the unsuspecting 'customers' that you duped into using your deficient service, that they need to upgrade to a paid service, or more expensive service. There are probably a lot of people on this site that know exactly what I'm talking about. You probably didn't even bother to look at the specs on that 'free' rms, because if you had, you might have a clue.
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If there is even a remote question of a conflict of interest (and in this instance, there is), that moderator should not be the one to ban or moderate that topic. If there is real concern, he should refer the matter to Boonex (not another moderator). You have got to be seen to be doing the right thing. It is no good your friends jumping to your defence.
If Boonex had banned modmysite as a negative influence (due to it's 'clean' D6 products) I would well and truly understand. This one, I do not.
AFAIK 'Clean' simply refers to the removal of some of the bloat, such as callbacks (ironically now removed by Boonex themselves). It is not 'Nulled' which is something different.
/DM
You are correct.
ModMySite's Dolphin Clean project was (notice, past-tense) started primarily due to features unneeded by some people (such as Ray and Orca), and with the way things were, there was no easy way to remove them from the script. The Dolphin Clean project changed this, and removed them completely (or as much as possible). This is now unneeded due to the modularized system of Dolphin 7. However, the Dolphin Clean project also removed many call-backs, and also decoded the Base64 code, but changed nothing within this segment beyond that (however, this made it very easy to null the script).
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Yes he has evidently been banned. From what I understand it was DosDawg, and has more to do with personal differences than with forum rules, which in my opinion is an abuse of the trust given when made a moderator.
I actually think that this whole thing is a crock of shite, whats wrong with offering free stuff??? I do not see it as advertising - just helping others out in the Dolphin community. And sure - yes he may get some kudos for doing so, and maybe that would encourage people to buy more services from him, but last time I looked, you guys were proud of living in a democracy that held free enterprise with high regards.
I mean - FFS - why penalise people trying to help the Dolphin community???? it should take all of the help it can get, after all, it's not like Boonex are even remotely interested in helping it's customers out.
HL The relative usefulness of the free RMS hosting has nothing to do with the issue here - if it doesn't suit your site - simply don't use it, but my guess is that with the half dozen members that you have, it would do just fine. (if you're gonna bag someone - expect to get bagged back in return)
I have about 20 free mods here, and more on my site, and I point users here in the forums to them quite often when they have issues. No one has banned me, or asked me to stop posting links to my tutorials. What's the difference??
None. that's what.
Do any of your posts get deleted when you point everyone with a hosting question to terabyte?????
Nope.
Double standards - pure and simple.
And before you all get very self righteous and bang on about modmysite promoting stolen mods, perhaps you should take 5 and review Boonex's policy regarding items posted for sale.
I suggest someone at Boonex sorts this out.
/DM
He was banned for advertising in the forums, despite repeatedly being told that it was against the rules, and that he must post such things in the market. He was asked on a number of occasions to remove his posts and re-post them on the market, but he refused. Because of his refusal to follow the rules (not the moderator, the rules), he was banned.
Regarding his actual posts, he was constantly offering his services whenever given the chance, as many do. For example, when someone was seeking a RMS hosting provider, he would step-in and offer his service; there is nothing wrong with this. However, making new topics and blogs that advertise your services over others isn't. This is not selective, and many have been told in the past that doing this is against the rules, and that they must post in the market like everyone else.
There is nothing wrong with offering services for free, but there is with how you do it. This is not about the service itself that he was offering, but the way he was advertising it. I did not actively prescribe his free services because they were not viable for the long-run, and were only meant for very small, or development purposes. Before you make any claim that I am biased with this, I am not. I do not only recommend Terabyte Hosting Solutions, but also JoomByte, among others.
There is nothing wrong with free enterprise, but you must follow the rules when doing so.
I am aware that you offer numerous free, and very helpful modifications, as well as linking to your web site when someone seeks support for a problem, and you have the solution available in the form of an article. The difference is that you do not make forum and blog posts with the sole intent of advertising your services, when this must only be done in the market (support topics do not count).
None of my posts for web hosting provider recommendations get deleted, and that's even when I mention a competitor. The same is for everyone else: look at all the recommendations for web hosting provider x and y; none have been deleted.
ModMySite is often where the latest information on nulling Dolphin is found, and it is not discouraged, nor necessarily encouraged; but nothing is done about it. Rob has an official policy that he will ignore such topics, and the community may do whatever they like, but he does encourage people to consider purchasing a license. Whenever someone tries to offer stolen modifications here, they are quickly mobbed by the community, and rightfully so. BoonEx does, however, allow certain modifications that are down-right wrong, and should not be made available (though it's odd that you'd mention this, especially with how you usually ridicule anyone rallying against them).
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BoonEx does, however, allow certain modifications that are down-right wrong, and should not be made available (though it's odd that you'd mention this, especially with how you usually ridicule anyone rallying against them).
It was a loaded question. The policy over at modmysite, is exactly the same as here - namely because it comes from here - http://www.modmysite.com/free-mod-exchange/10334-copying-imitation-re-selling-leeching-copyright-violation.html
No one seems to appreciate that apart from the misconception that there is something underhand about the 'clean' scripts, there is actually a support forum over there, and has been for a long time. It's free, there is no premium / prime / whatever to purchase -just people giving advice for free with no expectations at all. Unlike here, where everyone wants to sell you an effin mod to fix a problem that simply should not be there in the first place.
Whether you like it or not, the community actually needs sites like modmysite and Boonexnerd.
But as I said, this seems to have more to do with prejudices than with rules, and in my eyes - a prejudice is prejudice, regardless.
Bigotry, sexism, racism, whateverism - the mind-set is the same.
A Hater is a Hater.
HL - Why bag the service that he offered? Just because it does not suit everyones needs, does not make it useless. In general terms you are right - things are worth what you pay for them - BUT please remember, it IS a free service, so what exactly do you expect? I would have thought that it would have been pretty obvious to someone with your apparent intelligence, that it is, what it is. If someone signs up to the free service expecting to run an active member site, then they deserve to be let down.
I do not really understand why you are getting so vocal about protecting the idiots that might try to do this, after all, you once advocated a Unity where these same idiots were not allowed to post - thus saving you the displeasure of having to deal with them and read the same annoying questions time and again. Now you're going out of your way to ensure they do not accidentally incorrectly use a service that is not suitable for them. WTF? Have you gone bipolar?
It just strikes me that if this was someone different, the outcome would not be the same.
There appears to be a lynchwagon here, and everyone is on it.
/DM
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DM... just to be clear, no one ever said modmysite shouldn't be allowed to advertise their services on this site. All I am saying, is that lets call it what it is, and that is advertising. There's a place for that here. Let's not kid ourselves..... you and I both know he went about things the wrong way. If I went to your site and started making posts in your forum about things I had for sale, how long would those posts last? My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees. |
All I have to say is, wow. Remember, I'm new so keep that in mind- But I can offer something that alot here cant: I dont know anyone, havent the foggiest idea about the soap.
The thing that strikes me as strange (and unfair) is right off the top: WHY is a person outside a company in position to moderate? Before undies get in a bunch let me explain. This isnt personal, its business. You cannot expect human nature to not kick in when it comes to competition. The mere possibility of conflict of interest alone is enough to warrant a guideline here. I'm not attacking Dos' here, but I am questioning the company (is this an actual company?).
I'm sticking up for the software and for the general populace here. Ive been in position of moderation and also corporate decision making for years. If you are going to enforce a no advertising policy, that includes suggestions from other users. The calls I see on double standards here sound about right to a person who doesnt know any of you.
Now, regardless of what kind of flack I'm going to catch for saying this is, banning anyone over the above is wrong.
Having moderation who have monetary interest in outside endeavors is wrong.
Judging by the way Ive seen people treated in some cases, as a indifferent entity here all the more I'm going to say is when you do things and say things in public, no amount of moderation can keep it hidden or removed completely. This mess will affect people outside your "clicks" here and thats what upsets me. I just want to come here and get and give support, with some fun thrown in on the side. The scrambling for $ amongst yourselves is what will/does hurt the software here, and your own reputations. NONE of it belongs in public forum.
This doesnt mean you can just erase messages because whats said is said, done is done. Internet caching and offline readers make wonderful tools for proving/disproving conflict, and every company should know that. Thats not moderation, its simple reasoning why somethings should be, or not be.
I kind of wish I hadnt seen most of this already. I almost expect to be told to go away now.
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DM... just to be clear, no one ever said modmysite shouldn't be allowed to advertise their services on this site. All I am saying, is that lets call it what it is, and that is advertising. There's a place for that here. Let's not kid ourselves..... you and I both know he went about things the wrong way. If I went to your site and started making posts in your forum about things I had for sale, how long would those posts last?
Does Boonex offer hosting? Thats exactly why moderation and method should be in question here. Theres too much possibility of conflict of interest. You cant take action one one, or another.
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If there is even a remote question of a conflict of interest (and in this instance, there is), that moderator should not be the one to ban or moderate that topic. If there is real concern, he should refer the matter to Boonex (not another moderator). You have got to be seen to be doing the right thing. It is no good your friends jumping to your defence.
If Boonex had banned modmysite as a negative influence (due to it's 'clean' D6 products) I would well and truly understand. This one, I do not.
AFAIK 'Clean' simply refers to the removal of some of the bloat, such as callbacks (ironically now removed by Boonex themselves). It is not 'Nulled' which is something different.
/DM
You are correct.
ModMySite's Dolphin Clean project was (notice, past-tense) started primarily due to features unneeded by some people (such as Ray and Orca), and with the way things were, there was no easy way to remove them from the script. The Dolphin Clean project changed this, and removed them completely (or as much as possible). This is now unneeded due to the modularized system of Dolphin 7. However, the Dolphin Clean project also removed many call-backs, and also decoded the Base64 code, but changed nothing within this segment beyond that (however, this made it very easy to null the script).
It almost sounds like that was a reason to target them too, but I'll point out a few things Mag- Before I actually came here to start playing, I did my research. There are tons of sites out there that have exactly the same information as you outline above- google isnt the only search engine and there are some places that even have almost every D7 script (and market stuff) nulled/working/pirated, so blaming them/action on that level is in fact exactly like throwing a bar dart into a chicken coop. Previous to D7, I spent a great deal of time looking at 2 others in this same category: SE and PHPFox. It was so hard even testing the software in the first place because they try to lock up support by making everything pay first. People dont work that way and they never will.
The whole underground crowd thing creeps me out in the first place, and just trying to get the softwares evaluation running in the first place required scouring little bits and pieces only to find out that in the long run there were bugs and issues I couldnt deal with. Point here is customers arent sold by an advertisement on the front end. Its what goes on behind the counter (ie; here).
It goes with the territory. I'm a business person myself and I understand the risks of the internet and releasing product via it. The trick to maintaining customer base is by offering the service and support a customer expects- in other words, BE better. Most people will buy and support a software if the above conditions are met, and there will always be the free riders.
Some of the stuff going on here is enough to make people go elsewhere in the first place. Dolphin 7 is awsome, thats why I'm here. Already my fondness/desire for running it is whats making me voice an opinion here. I hope you understand that.
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There was no abuse of powers, or conflict of interest due to what occurred. Rob (ModMySite) repeatedly broke the rules, and despite being warned numerous times (even through personal contact), he continued to refuse to acknowledge the rules, and carried with what he was doing. This form of punishment has not been reserved solely for him: others who have done the same thing as he did have been banned, or suspended, and in some cases, they were not web hosting providers.
There is a place to advertise your products or services: the market. It has been stated a countless number of times that the forums and blogs are not the place for this, and while you may suggest your offerings to someone in a relevant topic (such as those which ask for recommended web hosting providers (Rob frequently posted in such topics and offered his services, and there was nothing wrong with this; he was not banned for that)), you may not create new posts just to advertise this service. Again, such a thing is for the market, and the market alone.
Moderators are ordinary members of the community who have been entrusted with certain powers. Many moderators operate companies which may compete with other members, or even other moderators. Any action taken by a moderator is sent for review to BoonEx, which means that if their powers are abused, BoonEx will know about it. I would also like to remind people that BoonEx is in constant competition with the membership, as well as moderators: both offer paid support services. Think about that, when considering anything involving conflict of interests.
I would also like to remind people that there is no censorship taking place against ModMySite, as evident by all of his posts remaining, including those in this topic.
I stand firm with what I have said.
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If there is even a remote question of a conflict of interest (and in this instance, there is), that moderator should not be the one to ban or moderate that topic. If there is real concern, he should refer the matter to Boonex (not another moderator). You have got to be seen to be doing the right thing. It is no good your friends jumping to your defence.
If Boonex had banned modmysite as a negative influence (due to it's 'clean' D6 products) I would well and truly understand. This one, I do not.
AFAIK 'Clean' simply refers to the removal of some of the bloat, such as callbacks (ironically now removed by Boonex themselves). It is not 'Nulled' which is something different.
/DM
You are correct.
ModMySite's Dolphin Clean project was (notice, past-tense) started primarily due to features unneeded by some people (such as Ray and Orca), and with the way things were, there was no easy way to remove them from the script. The Dolphin Clean project changed this, and removed them completely (or as much as possible). This is now unneeded due to the modularized system of Dolphin 7. However, the Dolphin Clean project also removed many call-backs, and also decoded the Base64 code, but changed nothing within this segment beyond that (however, this made it very easy to null the script).
It almost sounds like that was a reason to target them too, but I'll point out a few things Mag- Before I actually came here to start playing, I did my research. There are tons of sites out there that have exactly the same information as you outline above- google isnt the only search engine and there are some places that even have almost every D7 script (and market stuff) nulled/working/pirated, so blaming them/action on that level is in fact exactly like throwing a bar dart into a chicken coop.
It goes with the territory. I'm a business person myself and I understand the risks of the internet and releasing product via it. The trick to maintaining customer base is by offering the service and support a customer expects- in other words, BE better. Most people will buy and support a software if the above conditions are met, and there will always be the free riders.
Some of the stuff going on here is enough to make people go elsewhere in the first place. Dolphin 7 is awsome, thats why I'm here. Already my fondness/desire for running it is whats making me voice an opinion here. I hope you understand that.
I was not dismissing the Dolphin Clean project as just another way to null Dolphin. I have used it, and find it to be a wonderful contribution. Never in my post did I say anything like what you are suggesting. I do not understand how you can believe a legal alteration to the script may cause someone to target them: no one has ever said anything bad about their "clean" Dolphin releases.
This is not about the content that ModMySite hosts, and it has played no role in Rob's banning. If you see many of my older posts, you will see that I frequently send people to them regarding issues such as link-backs still displaying with a premium license. They have contributed in both a positive, and negative light.
I understand what you are saying, and I respect that you have your own opinion, but ask that you open more to the possibility that what you believe is going on here is far from the truth.
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Moderators are ordinary members of the community who have been entrusted with certain powers. Many moderators operate companies which may compete with other members, or even other moderators. Any action taken by a moderator is sent for review to BoonEx, which means that if their powers are abused, BoonEx will know about it. I would also like to remind people that BoonEx is in constant competition with the membership, as well as moderators: both offer paid support services. Think about that, when considering anything involving conflict of interests.
I did actually. Given your statement there, moderation should not have been enforced by anyone OTHER than the company itself, not first and "submitted for review". Thats the reason this whole discussion is now taking place. The likelyhood for human nature is too compelling.
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I understand what you are saying, and I respect that you have your own opinion, but ask that you open more to the possibility that what you believe is going on here is far from the truth.
Dont get me wrong Mag, I am. I'm indifferent towards who comes or goes here. its not about who, its about how. "How" is what Ive been in charge of outside my hobbies for the last 25 years , so even for me human habit is hard to break. I'm just offering an unbiased insight which is important here.
I saw 3 different solutions posted for the original posters questions. 2 of those solutions were offered by the people directly and one was offered by a 3rd party. So, it looks like some of this mess woulnt have happened if a 3rd party offered up the other 2?
Thats a scary gray area given who or what is doing the action here- theres too much possibility and likelyhood for any common sense oriented person here.
See what I mean? I hope you understand.
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Moderators are ordinary members of the community who have been entrusted with certain powers. Many moderators operate companies which may compete with other members, or even other moderators. Any action taken by a moderator is sent for review to BoonEx, which means that if their powers are abused, BoonEx will know about it. I would also like to remind people that BoonEx is in constant competition with the membership, as well as moderators: both offer paid support services. Think about that, when considering anything involving conflict of interests.
I did actually. Given your statement there, moderation should not have been enforced by anyone OTHER than the company itself, not first and "submitted for review". Thats the reason this whole discussion is now taking place. The likelyhood for human nature is too compelling.
I have stressed it again and again: no abuse of power took place. The member repeatedly broke the rules, and when warned, he repeatedly showed disrespect and refused to follow them. Being repeatedly warned that what you are doing is against the rules, and will have you banned, is not abusing your powers: it's using them properly.
This was not a case of a member posting about their free web hosting service and suddenly and randomly being banned to protect the suggested interests of a moderator. This was a case of a member advertising their services in the forums and blogs (which is spam), and being told repeatedly that this was against the rules, and that they must post advertisements in the market. Despite being told this numerous times, he continued to refuse, which is grounds for banning.
Notice that Rob was only warned in the topic in question (not this one). This is because he started a new topic to advertise his services, which is spamming. He was not warned for posting in any other topic (such as this one), because he was offering a relevant service that met the poster's interest, and that is allowed (it was not spamming).
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I understand what you are saying, and I respect that you have your own opinion, but ask that you open more to the possibility that what you believe is going on here is far from the truth.
Dont get me wrong Mag, I am. I'm indifferent towards who comes or goes here. its not about who, its about how. "How" is what Ive been in charge of outside my hobbies for the last 25 years , so even for me human habit is hard to break. I'm just offering an unbiased insight which is important here.
I saw 3 different solutions posted for the original posters questions. 2 of those solutions were offered by the people directly and one was offered by a 3rd party. So, it looks like some of this mess woulnt have happened if a 3rd party offered up the other 2?
Thats a scary gray area given who or what is doing the action here- theres too much possibility and likelyhood for any common sense oriented person here.
See what I mean? I hope you understand.
There is nothing wrong with offering your services, free or paid, if it is relevant to the topic. For example, in this case, someone was requesting information on the RMS, as well as web hosting providers. Numerous people posted about their RMS hosting services, which was relevant and what the OP asked for.
That is allowed, because it is not spamming.
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Moderators are ordinary members of the community who have been entrusted with certain powers. Many moderators operate companies which may compete with other members, or even other moderators. Any action taken by a moderator is sent for review to BoonEx, which means that if their powers are abused, BoonEx will know about it. I would also like to remind people that BoonEx is in constant competition with the membership, as well as moderators: both offer paid support services. Think about that, when considering anything involving conflict of interests.
I did actually. Given your statement there, moderation should not have been enforced by anyone OTHER than the company itself, not first and "submitted for review". Thats the reason this whole discussion is now taking place. The likelyhood for human nature is too compelling.
I have stressed it again and again: no abuse of power took place. The member repeatedly broke the rules, and when warned, he repeatedly showed disrespect and refused to follow them. Being repeatedly warned that what you are doing is against the rules, and will have you banned, is not abusing your powers: it's using them properly.
This was not a case of a member posting about their free web hosting service and suddenly and randomly being banned to protect the suggested interests of a moderator. This was a case of a member advertising their services in the forums and blogs (which is spam), and being told repeatedly that this was against the rules, and that they must post advertisements in the market. Despite being told this numerous times, he continued to refuse, which is grounds for banning.
Notice that Rob was only warned in the topic in question (not this one). This is because he started a new topic to advertise his services, which is spamming. He was not warned for posting in any other topic (such as this one), because he was offering a relevant service that met the poster's interest, and that is allowed (it was not spamming).
I understand. I'd also like to put some blame on the forum software itself. The search feature leaves a bit to be desired.
Nonetheless, I'll bow out because really theres still core issue that we should probably agree to disagree. The first priority here should be support.
(Gonna have some coffee now, have a spot on me too eh?)
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As you maybe aware, ModMySite has been supporting BoonEx Dolphin (and
aeWebWorks aeDating) since 2003.
ModMySite has also recently offered to the Dolphin Community, Free Ray
Media Server (RMS) Hosting, and Free Dolphin Web Site Hosting.
In particular, ModMySite considered the Free Ray Media Server (RMS)
hosting to be service to the Dolphin Community as a whole, as there was
no free RMS hosting available since BoonEx discontinued (for unknown
reasons) their free RMS server many months ago. RMS hosting is needed
for a Dolphin website to run many of the Ray applets.
To spread the word about the Free Ray Media Server Hosting, we had made
several posts about this free service on the BoonEx.Com discussion
forums ( http://www.boonex.com/unity/txt/home ). Quite a few people saw this as being helpful to them, and signed up
for the free service for their web site.
However, one the users on BoonEx's Unity, DosDawg, runs a hosting
company ( http://www.terabyte-hosting.com ), which only offers paid RMS hosting.
He objected to my posts about ModMySite's Free RMS hosting offer on the
BoonEx forums, and demanded that I remove the postings on on the BoonEx
forums about it.
It is my opinion that DosDawg (of terabyte-hosting.com) objected to my postings about
free Ray Media Server hosting as his hosting company only offers paid
RMS hosting, and he saw it as a threat to his business model. He offers
no free services.
Unknown to me, DosDawg has moderator status on BoonEx.Com's forums.
There is no indication in his username or tags on the BoonEx forums
that he has this power. So when he told me to delete my post about free
RMS hosting, I ignored him. Anyways, when I did not comply with his
demand, he banned me from BoonEx.Com without warning or notice.
When I contacted BoonEx directly via email about this unjust ban, they
did not reply beyond a "we will look into it", and it has been a further
7 days now. In addition, I had recently purchased a "Premium
Membership" on the BoonEx forums for $120. My requests for resolution
of this via a PayPal dispute have also been ignored. I was forced to
escalate this to a formal PayPal claim due to the lack of response after
waiting a reasonable number of days.
This has caused me and the other staff at ModMySite.Com to re-evaluate
the future of ModMySite in regards to Dolphin (in particular, Dolphin
7), and take a real honest look at the current state of Dolphin, and
BoonEx.
It is ModMySite's opinion that:
- Dolphin 7, Ray, and Ray Media Server, are bloated, buggy, and slow.
- The way in which Dolphin 7 is programmed makes it difficult to easily
maintain the code.
- The Dophhin 7 licenses, and the Ray Applet licenses, are over priced.
- Bugs reported to BoonEx about Dolphin take many days to be addressed,
if even addressed at all.
- The lack of real support from BoonEx in the forums, or elsewhere, for
their product and services, is apalling.
In light of this honest review of the current state of Dolphin, Ray, and
BoonEx in general, we have decided to stop all support for Dolphin 7
Ray, and Ray Media Server on ModMySite.
Please take note that as of July 19th 2010, ModMySite is:
Only supporting Dolphin GPL (5.6.5), which is free and Open Source. Ceasing our Free Ray Media Server Hosting. Ceasing our Free Dolphin Web Site Hosting for any version but Dolphin
5.6.5 (GPL)
If this causes you any hardship, I am sorry. But if you have anger or
concerns, I suggest you direct them towards BoonEx ( uno@boonex.com) or express them on the
BoonEx.Com Unity forums. You can also discuss this on ModMySite in a
special thread for this topic:
http://www.modmysite.com/terrible-state-boonex-dolphin-7/10649-boonex-dolphin-7-a.html#post40209
Warm regards,
ModMySite
First of all, moderators should be clearly marked as such.
Second, I think it is wrong to give moderators to much powers especially when they try to run or setup a monopoly on RMS hosting. Judgements are never free of bias.
Third, Rob you should not overreact since your service is of high value and high quality especially for new sites who want and need to test first.
Fourth, my small site I'm testing leaves still far too much to be desired and I'm not sure if it could ever stand a stress test. A 70+ year old user said that the site is a kind of waggy in its function. I hear experts come to the same overall conclusion.
I'd suggest to get our heads together and lets iron out the many small and big issues that still exist.
I follow Boonex for years and realized that the climate is not like in Joomla forums or any other forums I've ever been with. It seems to me that here is is very often a war of egos going on instead of constructive discussions, which is counter productive to the project. The countless negative impressions are still on the rise and which will keep people away. But this is maybe the aim of some of the members here anyway.
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@HL / Magnus
FFS- he offered a free service. He answered in response to someone asking for help.
I fail to see what the issue is, other than a personal one.
There is a massive CONFLICT OF INTERESTS here, made much worse by all of the nutswingers.
SO MUCH FOR COMMUNITY & UNITY - WHAT AN EFFIN JOKE.
I am waiting for Boonex's response on this - after which I will decide how I am voting.
Until then, I have suspended all of my mods and tutorials, and will not be offering help here. Sorry to all of those who are awaiting for MODS from me, and sorry to all of those who are receiving help via PM. But if this so called 'community' can be so picky and choosy on what kind / type of help is allowed, then it is clearly not in need of mine.
/DM
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I have just looked at DosDawgs profile on Boonex and it states he is a moderator: http://www.boonex.com/unity/DosDawg
Perhaps something on the Avatar on forum posts might make this a little clearer. This is something you see on most popular forum software. Having said that there is a lot that could be improved with the boonex forum software.
As far as I am concerned I do not see creating a forum post, like modmysite did, announcing free RMS as spam. Perhaps if he kept creating the similar forum posts over and over again I would personally classify it as spam. I merely saw it as a helpful announcement. Obviously Boonex rules differ with my personal opinion so there you go there is not much I can do about that. Although I find it a little strange that it is okay then for a member to create a forum topic requesting advice on appropriate D7 hosting or RMS hosting and then subsequently it is also okay for all the different D7 hosting providers to advertise their services in rely to the forum post. Hey I am also okay with this too, however it seems a little ar*e about face to me.
As you maybe aware, ModMySite has been supporting BoonEx Dolphin (and
aeWebWorks aeDating) since 2003.
ModMySite has also recently offered to the Dolphin Community, Free Ray
Media Server (RMS) Hosting, and Free Dolphin Web Site Hosting.
In particular, ModMySite considered the Free Ray Media Server (RMS)
hosting to be service to the Dolphin Community as a whole, as there was
no free RMS hosting available since BoonEx discontinued (for unknown
reasons) their free RMS server many months ago. RMS hosting is needed
for a Dolphin website to run many of the Ray applets.
To spread the word about the Free Ray Media Server Hosting, we had made
several posts about this free service on the BoonEx.Com discussion
forums ( http://www.boonex.com/unity/txt/home ). Quite a few people saw this as being helpful to them, and signed up
for the free service for their web site.
However, one the users on BoonEx's Unity, DosDawg, runs a hosting
company ( http://www.terabyte-hosting.com ), which only offers paid RMS hosting.
He objected to my posts about ModMySite's Free RMS hosting offer on the
BoonEx forums, and demanded that I remove the postings on on the BoonEx
forums about it.
It is my opinion that DosDawg (of terabyte-hosting.com) objected to my postings about
free Ray Media Server hosting as his hosting company only offers paid
RMS hosting, and he saw it as a threat to his business model. He offers
no free services.
Unknown to me, DosDawg has moderator status on BoonEx.Com's forums.
There is no indication in his username or tags on the BoonEx forums
that he has this power. So when he told me to delete my post about free
RMS hosting, I ignored him. Anyways, when I did not comply with his
demand, he banned me from BoonEx.Com without warning or notice.
When I contacted BoonEx directly via email about this unjust ban, they
did not reply beyond a "we will look into it", and it has been a further
7 days now. In addition, I had recently purchased a "Premium
Membership" on the BoonEx forums for $120. My requests for resolution
of this via a PayPal dispute have also been ignored. I was forced to
escalate this to a formal PayPal claim due to the lack of response after
waiting a reasonable number of days.
This has caused me and the other staff at ModMySite.Com to re-evaluate
the future of ModMySite in regards to Dolphin (in particular, Dolphin
7), and take a real honest look at the current state of Dolphin, and
BoonEx.
It is ModMySite's opinion that:
- Dolphin 7, Ray, and Ray Media Server, are bloated, buggy, and slow.
- The way in which Dolphin 7 is programmed makes it difficult to easily
maintain the code.
- The Dophhin 7 licenses, and the Ray Applet licenses, are over priced.
- Bugs reported to BoonEx about Dolphin take many days to be addressed,
if even addressed at all.
- The lack of real support from BoonEx in the forums, or elsewhere, for
their product and services, is apalling.
In light of this honest review of the current state of Dolphin, Ray, and
BoonEx in general, we have decided to stop all support for Dolphin 7
Ray, and Ray Media Server on ModMySite.
Please take note that as of July 19th 2010, ModMySite is:
Only supporting Dolphin GPL (5.6.5), which is free and Open Source. Ceasing our Free Ray Media Server Hosting. Ceasing our Free Dolphin Web Site Hosting for any version but Dolphin
5.6.5 (GPL)
If this causes you any hardship, I am sorry. But if you have anger or
concerns, I suggest you direct them towards BoonEx ( uno@boonex.com) or express them on the
BoonEx.Com Unity forums. You can also discuss this on ModMySite in a
special thread for this topic:
http://www.modmysite.com/terrible-state-boonex-dolphin-7/10649-boonex-dolphin-7-a.html#post40209
Warm regards,
ModMySite
First of all, moderators should be clearly marked as such.
Second, I think it is wrong to give moderators to much powers especially when they try to run or setup a monopoly on RMS hosting. Judgements are never free of bias.
Third, Rob you should not overreact since your service is of high value and high quality especially for new sites who want and need to test first.
Fourth, my small site I'm testing leaves still far too much to be desired and I'm not sure if it could ever stand a stress test. A 70+ year old user said that the site is a kind of waggy in its function. I hear experts come to the same overall conclusion.
I'd suggest to get our heads together and lets iron out the many small and big issues that still exist.
I follow Boonex for years and realized that the climate is not like in Joomla forums or any other forums I've ever been with. It seems to me that here is is very often a war of egos going on instead of constructive discussions, which is counter productive to the project. The countless negative impressions are still on the rise and which will keep people away. But this is maybe the aim of some of the members here anyway.
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Ok, I mainly lurk but after reading this, I have to chime in here...
3 years ago, I downloaded Dolphin 6.0 here. I was thrilled to find such an awesome script and for free! My site caters to a very specific community in a highly competitive market and Dolphin was perfect for that! Well, my site grew quickly and could not keep up. I got a lot of help here in the forums and paid help from the people here when I first started out but I needed more. I simply could not get a timely response to issues that I kept having or new ones that kept popping up.
I found ModMySite and sent them an email. Rob was awesome...no ifs, ands or buts. Their service is top notch. When Orca was blocking people that were running Vista and McAfee, they installed new forums for me. I currently have 1/4 million posts in my forums. When chat bogged down my site with 20 users, they installed a new chat. When my VPS was blowing smoke, they moved me to a bigger server (3 times.) Most importantly, when my site went down, they were there. They have also done a lot of modifications for me and stand behind their product 100%.
Let's face it, the majority of sites will never get more than a few hundred users, despite the visions of grandeur many have. In these cases, a standard Dolphin install will be fine. When your site gets hit with a ton of users every day, you will need more...you just can't wait a few days or even weeks for an answer in the forums, if you get one at all. If your site keeps going down, bogs down or stops working correctly...kiss your members goodbye.
While most sites won't make it, many do. It is for this reason that companies, like ModMySite, are an important asset to this community and should be encouraged. Simply put, I could have not done it without them. I am confident that my site would not have been able to sustain the number of users without them. I have a limited coding ability and Dolphin is way over my head...just like many others, I need outside help.
I think it very unprofessional, if not childish, to attempt to bash a very respectable business when so many people, like myself, rely heavily on them. It leaves a black mark on the whole issue. If it is a personal vendetta with a moderator then the post should have simply been removed or handled by somebody else. Banning him only hurts the community as a whole.
I am grateful for Boonex and Dolphin but without ModMySite, I would have just been another site that crashed and been a distant memory.
Just my 2 cents...
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Wow! Lots to catch up on after a couple of days away from the forums.
Well first, no I am not banned for advertising in a forum thread where RMS was solicited. I made the same mistake of advertising where it wasn't warranted when I first started up my Dolphin services, but even back then, DosDawg was moderator. He warned me and I retracted my post. End of story.
To sum up this thread I just read:
You can't create your own forum threads for advertising. It is in the Boonex Constitution. You can only reply to solicitations to service. If Rob at ModMySite created a thread dedicated to his RMS services, "he broke rules." If he was warned and continued doing it, then he has a right to be banned for "breaking the rules."
Wither there is any personal retaliation between DosDawg and ModMySite, it doesn't matter because "rules were broken." Nobody likes new competitioin (including myself) but it is open for anybody to create a service such as this. I do not believe DosDawg to be in competition with anybody as he has openly told me that is not the case between us as though it may seam to the public. Therefore, I don't believe there were any personal feelings in consideration when DosDawg banned ModMySite. Simply put: he broke the rules, was banned accordingly after a repeative offense, and is now offended by the consequences.
Now for my opinion on his services. The "free" services he offers is barely enough to run anything on. Like HL said, it is just enough to test to see that it works... Not actually use it. So a better wording of his "free services" would be "trial services." Is stating he offers free services deceptive...I would agree so. It gets you to his "upgrades page," let you try it out the free services which are used up in what I would imagine "fairly quickly," then would require you upgrade to paid services so you can actually make practical use out of them.
DosDawg may not be employed with Boonex, but if they trust him enough to grant him moderator privilages, then that should say enough right there.
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Wow! Lots to catch up on after a couple of days away from the forums.
Well first, no I am not banned for advertising in a forum thread where RMS was solicited. I made the same mistake of advertising where it wasn't warranted when I first started up my Dolphin services, but even back then, DosDawg was moderator. He warned me and I retracted my post. End of story.
To sum up this thread I just read:
You can't create your own forum threads for advertising. It is in the Boonex Constitution. You can only reply to solicitations to service. If Rob at ModMySite created a thread dedicated to his RMS services, "he broke rules." If he was warned and continued doing it, then he has a right to be banned for "breaking the rules."
Wither there is any personal retaliation between DosDawg and ModMySite, it doesn't matter because "rules were broken." Nobody likes new competitioin (including myself) but it is open for anybody to create a service such as this. I do not believe DosDawg to be in competition with anybody as he has openly told me that is not the case between us as though it may seam to the public. Therefore, I don't believe there were any personal feelings in consideration when DosDawg banned ModMySite. Simply put: he broke the rules, was banned accordingly after a repeative offense, and is now offended by the consequences.
Now for my opinion on his services. The "free" services he offers is barely enough to run anything on. Like HL said, it is just enough to test to see that it works... Not actually use it. So a better wording of his "free services" would be "trial services." Is stating he offers free services deceptive...I would agree so. It gets you to his "upgrades page," let you try it out the free services which are used up in what I would imagine "fairly quickly," then would require you upgrade to paid services so you can actually make practical use out of them.
DosDawg may not be employed with Boonex, but if they trust him enough to grant him moderator privilages, then that should say enough right there.
Thank you. I agree fully with you on this, as this was also the point I was repeatedly trying to make through my various posts.
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Was it a one off forum post or were there a number of forum posts?
Quite frankly I see people breaking boonex forum rules all the time but most of the time nothing is done and the posts are not removed. Not sure if they get banned though. Do forum posts disappear if they get banned?
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Was it a one off forum post or were there a number of forum posts?
Quite frankly I see people breaking boonex forum rules all the time but most of the time nothing is done and the posts are not removed. Not sure if they get banned though. Do forum posts disappear if they get banned?
Rob's posts have not been removed, as evident by his posts in this topic remaining. Regarding what he was actually posting, he made numerous advertisement posts, including in the blogs section, if I recall.
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Updated: Ahh yes. I see both the forum and blog post are still there.
As I said. If he kept spamming with new forum or blog post then perhaps I would object. For instance, I am not keen on Boonex repeatedly promoting third party dime hosting which I know from first hand experience is no good but of course it will earn Boonex income in commission to promote such partners. However these blogs and forums are not ours and obviously Boonex can advertise their own products and someone elses third party products if they want to! On the other hand they can also make rules that no one else should be able to do so in case it detracts attention from their own advertising and probably less importantly invites huge amounts of spam.
As it stands I do not consider it spam. Okay technically it broke the rules but to be honest personally I did not see the postings as unwanted. In fact I thought they were rather useful to the community whether irrespective of whether the server can handle the loads. Having said that no one actually has mentioned the specifications of the server he is using to host the RMS. I certainly do not know and so cannot comment on whether it can handle the loads. I really think that this is very much a storm in a tea cup and has been blown out of all proportion.
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As a Moderator here at Unity, I wanted to throw my own non-biased opinion in here:
** First, I refuse to discuss if the actions taken by the Moderator was justified. As a Moderator, we are given the permission to moderate at our own discretion. I'm sure he has his reason for taking the actions that he did. IF Boonex sees that his actions were unfit, they have the ability to reverse them at will.
Posting Rules 7.3
7.3. Unity Forums is a platform for sharing information and for helping
others. Forums is NOT a classifieds board for products or services.
Hence, a question in forum should be followed by discussion, answers or
anything else, but not soliciting to write directly to your e-mail to
get the answer. Promotional posts on forums will be deleted, since they
clutter the forum with ugly cross-promotional spam. Also, please do
not drop promotional URLs, signature files, nor specifics that would
lead people to your site, unless it serves as a meaningful and
absolutely necessary part of the particular discussion. Signing your
name is fine, however commercialized posts or resume signatures will be
edited. We tend to err on the side of caution to protect the integrity
of the system. Affiliate based URLs are not allowed anywhere on the
system.
So "technically" there should be no linking to any site outside of Boonex. But where do you draw the line? This poster specifically asked for advise regarding RMS hosting. As you can see from the first few posts, there were several links to different hosting provider solutions. Is that considered "spam", "advertising", "Solicitation"? Should there be actions taken on those posters?
My Point is, If a Moderators notices a pattern of rules being broken by a specific member, the offender is normally notified via PM and warned of their actions. If they continue to break the rules or disregard the warning from the Moderator, then the Moderator has the ability to take actions as they see fit.
So my thoughts are, more than likely this was not the only posting that would have lead to his suspension. If that were the case then there are a few on here that should be suspended too :)
If someone asks "who's the best host" or "who do you recommend...", the best answer would be to either:
- Send the to the Unity Preferred Hosting - http://www.boonex.com/hosting/
- Send them a PM with your opinion
- Tell them to Google "Boonex Hosting"
This way, you can never be accused of posting advertisements in the forums. So now you have it "in a nutshell".
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Certainly surprised with the anguish that one persons indecision to ignore a set of rules that have clearly been laid out by the owners of this site, has caused.
First and foremost, I as an appointed moderator for this site we all so freely use, have no reason to feel compelled to strike a defense. I will iterate, that upon the postings of modmysite, it was clearly discussed with him, that he was in violation of the forum rules, and further requested that he cease and desist the advertising on the blogs and forums. It was the decision of that poster to 'ignore' the request. You can read the request and the refusal at the following thread --> http://www.boonex.com/unity/forums/topic/Free-Ray-Media-Server-Hosting.htm
there is no conflict of interest, as declared by modmysites email spam blast with his declaration that he was suspended with malice. this advertisement was posted on the market, on the blogs, and on the forums, as well as an email spam blast. it was requested that this member, utilize the appropriate channels as provided for his advertisements.
lets consider one other thing here, with every decision, there are consequences, sometimes unfavorable, and sometimes not. as to whether there are some who would consider the moderation extreme, or harsh, that is a matter of opinion, and duly noted. modmysite was not 'banned' as his proclamation depicts, he was merely suspended, which is the protocol provided to the moderators on this site. as to whether he was ignored by boonex staff, that is unbeknownst to me.
well that is about all i have to say on this matter, rules are rules, and they are as any who know, addressed equally and unequivocally by myself as well as the other moderators assigned on this site. as with any environment, if you are not keen to follow any given set of rules, specifically when considering the internet, you are not by any means bound to frequent any said such site.
I will continue to uphold the duties of moderation on this site, as I have since appointment. If any feel thwarted by anything that has ever been expressed by me as to what the rules are, then the rules should be revisited. As jimmy has stated, he once posted an advert, and an open discussion was also started with him, and he respected the rules. I am not in competition with anyone on this site, nor do I ever wish to be in competition. You can search on these forums and blogs, and even when there was an inquiry regarding services, I refrain from even a mention of any services.
Rob, i am sure that once boonex examines the facts, they will make their decision which again, i have no input on. Good luck in all that you do and with all adventures you may travel.
Regards,
DosDawg
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Perhaps no one should be allowed to post new forum/blog threads or reply to forum/blog threads with their services. If you must reply then refer them to the jobs/market section or even private message them with your services. |
RE: You can read the request and the refusal at the following thread --> http://www.boonex.com/unity/forums/topic/Free-Ray-Media-Server-Hosting.htm
Regards,
DosDawg
Thanks for posting that link. I think why some people are confused, has to do with the fact that this conversation started in the wrong thread. The thread you cited, is the one in dispute...... NOT this one. There were also similar blog posts.
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Thanks Dawg for posting that Link. After reading that, I completely agree with your actions :) Nothing to see here |
cbass,
that decision would most likely help to some degree, however, when there is an inquiry directly related to services, then boonex made the decision that those who offer those services, or who have had a good experience with one service provider or another, could post that information.
Perhaps no one should be allowed to post new forum/blog threads or reply to forum/blog threads with their services. If you must reply then refer them to the jobs/market section or even private message them with your services.
yes, HL, there was some confusion because this post started on an actual inquiry for service recommendations, and should have actually been followed up on the post that was in question. at any rate, hope all are having a good day.
Regards,
DosDawg
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Okay then perhaps service providers just point forum users in the direction of their Market URL? All the info can be obtained via there. Along with voting on their services. I am sure Arvixe will do well ;o)
cbass,
that decision would most likely help to some degree, however, when there is an inquiry directly related to services, then boonex made the decision that those who offer those services, or who have had a good experience with one service provider or another, could post that information.
Perhaps no one should be allowed to post new forum/blog threads or reply to forum/blog threads with their services. If you must reply then refer them to the jobs/market section or even private message them with your services.
yes, HL, there was some confusion because this post started on an actual inquiry for service recommendations, and should have actually been followed up on the post that was in question. at any rate, hope all are having a good day.
Regards,
DosDawg
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Okay then perhaps service providers just point forum users in the direction of their Market URL? All the info can be obtained via there. Along with voting on their services. I am sure Arvixe will do well ;o)
cbass,
that decision would most likely help to some degree, however, when there is an inquiry directly related to services, then boonex made the decision that those who offer those services, or who have had a good experience with one service provider or another, could post that information.
Perhaps no one should be allowed to post new forum/blog threads or reply to forum/blog threads with their services. If you must reply then refer them to the jobs/market section or even private message them with your services.
yes, HL, there was some confusion because this post started on an actual inquiry for service recommendations, and should have actually been followed up on the post that was in question. at any rate, hope all are having a good day.
Regards,
DosDawg
I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate here for just a moment. Why was that other message dated the 29th of June, and action only being taken now? What would have been wrong with removing the post in question in the first place, since it did violate the rules. By NOT doing so, it became a push-pull match between 2 people who dont seem to like each other- one having the power to ban, the other not. I dont care what the history is, if the post violated another rule (ie; porn, etc) wouldnt it have been removed immediatley? Just asking.
Second, In the name of proper use and execution of the rules, I'd think that anyone requesting services need be directed to the proper advertising area without bias. This way none of these spats come to light again and we can all get on with it.
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@ Ancientwolf - As of this point in time, Moderators are missing the needed tools to properly moderate the Forums area at Untiy. This (as well as other issues) have been discussed with Boonex already and we are told that changes will be coming soon that will allow us to moderate the Forums. Until then, we will continue to utilize the best alternative options available to us.
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ancientwolf,
the suspension actually happened the very day that it was requested of the member to pull his post. the hubbub is just now being propagandized on the forum, as a means of yet again more advertisement. we have no means of removing a post, the author could have removed the post, it was his choice not to remove the post, as is evident with his answers.
handsconnect posted on this thread, to advertise that purportedly modmysite had been 'banned' because he answered on this thread, not the case whatsoever. i know you are stepping into something that has a different appearance than what is factual, and as HL pointed out, this thread was most likely targeted, because on this specific thread, there appears to be no wrong-doing, and that his 'ban' as stated was due to this post. not the case.
Okay then perhaps service providers just point forum users in the direction of their Market URL? All the info can be obtained via there. Along with voting on their services. I am sure Arvixe will do well ;o)
cbass,
that decision would most likely help to some degree, however, when there is an inquiry directly related to services, then boonex made the decision that those who offer those services, or who have had a good experience with one service provider or another, could post that information.
Perhaps no one should be allowed to post new forum/blog threads or reply to forum/blog threads with their services. If you must reply then refer them to the jobs/market section or even private message them with your services.
yes, HL, there was some confusion because this post started on an actual inquiry for service recommendations, and should have actually been followed up on the post that was in question. at any rate, hope all are having a good day.
Regards,
DosDawg
I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate here for just a moment. Why was that other message dated the 29th of June, and action only being taken now? What would have been wrong with removing the post in question in the first place, since it did violate the rules. By NOT doing so, it became a push-pull match between 2 people who dont seem to like each other- one having the power to ban, the other not. I dont care what the history is, if the post violated another rule (ie; porn, etc) wouldnt it have been removed immediatley? Just asking.
Second, In the name of proper use and execution of the rules, I'd think that anyone requesting services need be directed to the proper advertising area without bias. This way none of these spats come to light again and we can all get on with it.
the forums are not perfect, the best we can do with our assigned duties is exactly what we do. there was adequate notice given to this member that he was in violation of the rules. what more would you expect be done in such a situation. rob is well aware of the rules, as stated by some he has been around boonex and unity since 2003, as have many of us, however, our longevity gives us no forebearing to disregard the posted rules.
I think mag has stated more concisely and clearly, the rules were violated, the poster was notified of such violation, asked to remove his posts, and his answer was and quote 'Ah no'.
so based on the facts alone, not what others opinions are, because it was not just my opinion that i based the suspension on, it was in upholding the rules of the forums, notifying the member they were in violation, and after it was clear that the posts would not be removed, as they are still there, which he had ample time to remove the posts immediately after it was suggested that he do so.
so again, based on the facts, not opines, since you clearly are verbal with what you think would have been the better approach, please enlighten us as to how you would have moderated this specific situation?
Regards,
DosDawg
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Just a quick one DosDawg as my interest in this topic is at and end as I want to go crush people on the kdice.com tables. Did you warn him publicly or privately that he would be banned for his actions/inactions?
Okay off to crush people ON THE KDICE TABLES with my superior strategium and cunning :o)
ancientwolf,
the suspension actually happened the very day that it was requested of the member to pull his post. the hubbub is just now being propagandized on the forum, as a means of yet again more advertisement. we have no means of removing a post, the author could have removed the post, it was his choice not to remove the post, as is evident with his answers.
handsconnect posted on this thread, to advertise that purportedly modmysite had been 'banned' because he answered on this thread, not the case whatsoever. i know you are stepping into something that has a different appearance than what is factual, and as HL pointed out, this thread was most likely targeted, because on this specific thread, there appears to be no wrong-doing, and that his 'ban' as stated was due to this post. not the case.
Okay then perhaps service providers just point forum users in the direction of their Market URL? All the info can be obtained via there. Along with voting on their services. I am sure Arvixe will do well ;o)
cbass,
that decision would most likely help to some degree, however, when there is an inquiry directly related to services, then boonex made the decision that those who offer those services, or who have had a good experience with one service provider or another, could post that information.
Perhaps no one should be allowed to post new forum/blog threads or reply to forum/blog threads with their services. If you must reply then refer them to the jobs/market section or even private message them with your services.
yes, HL, there was some confusion because this post started on an actual inquiry for service recommendations, and should have actually been followed up on the post that was in question. at any rate, hope all are having a good day.
Regards,
DosDawg
I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate here for just a moment. Why was that other message dated the 29th of June, and action only being taken now? What would have been wrong with removing the post in question in the first place, since it did violate the rules. By NOT doing so, it became a push-pull match between 2 people who dont seem to like each other- one having the power to ban, the other not. I dont care what the history is, if the post violated another rule (ie; porn, etc) wouldnt it have been removed immediatley? Just asking.
Second, In the name of proper use and execution of the rules, I'd think that anyone requesting services need be directed to the proper advertising area without bias. This way none of these spats come to light again and we can all get on with it.
the forums are not perfect, the best we can do with our assigned duties is exactly what we do. there was adequate notice given to this member that he was in violation of the rules. what more would you expect be done in such a situation. rob is well aware of the rules, as stated by some he has been around boonex and unity since 2003, as have many of us, however, our longevity gives us no forebearing to disregard the posted rules.
I think mag has stated more concisely and clearly, the rules were violated, the poster was notified of such violation, asked to remove his posts, and his answer was and quote 'Ah no'.
so based on the facts alone, not what others opinions are, because it was not just my opinion that i based the suspension on, it was in upholding the rules of the forums, notifying the member they were in violation, and after it was clear that the posts would not be removed, as they are still there, which he had ample time to remove the posts immediately after it was suggested that he do so.
so again, based on the facts, not opines, since you clearly are verbal with what you think would have been the better approach, please enlighten us as to how you would have moderated this specific situation?
Regards,
DosDawg
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ancientwolf,
the suspension actually happened the very day that it was requested of the member to pull his post. the hubbub is just now being propagandized on the forum, as a means of yet again more advertisement. we have no means of removing a post, the author could have removed the post, it was his choice not to remove the post, as is evident with his answers.
handsconnect posted on this thread, to advertise that purportedly modmysite had been 'banned' because he answered on this thread, not the case whatsoever. i know you are stepping into something that has a different appearance than what is factual, and as HL pointed out, this thread was most likely targeted, because on this specific thread, there appears to be no wrong-doing, and that his 'ban' as stated was due to this post. not the case.
Okay then perhaps service providers just point forum users in the direction of their Market URL? All the info can be obtained via there. Along with voting on their services. I am sure Arvixe will do well ;o)
cbass,
that decision would most likely help to some degree, however, when there is an inquiry directly related to services, then boonex made the decision that those who offer those services, or who have had a good experience with one service provider or another, could post that information.
Perhaps no one should be allowed to post new forum/blog threads or reply to forum/blog threads with their services. If you must reply then refer them to the jobs/market section or even private message them with your services.
yes, HL, there was some confusion because this post started on an actual inquiry for service recommendations, and should have actually been followed up on the post that was in question. at any rate, hope all are having a good day.
Regards,
DosDawg
I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate here for just a moment. Why was that other message dated the 29th of June, and action only being taken now? What would have been wrong with removing the post in question in the first place, since it did violate the rules. By NOT doing so, it became a push-pull match between 2 people who dont seem to like each other- one having the power to ban, the other not. I dont care what the history is, if the post violated another rule (ie; porn, etc) wouldnt it have been removed immediatley? Just asking.
Second, In the name of proper use and execution of the rules, I'd think that anyone requesting services need be directed to the proper advertising area without bias. This way none of these spats come to light again and we can all get on with it.
the forums are not perfect, the best we can do with our assigned duties is exactly what we do. there was adequate notice given to this member that he was in violation of the rules. what more would you expect be done in such a situation. rob is well aware of the rules, as stated by some he has been around boonex and unity since 2003, as have many of us, however, our longevity gives us no forebearing to disregard the posted rules.
I think mag has stated more concisely and clearly, the rules were violated, the poster was notified of such violation, asked to remove his posts, and his answer was and quote 'Ah no'.
so based on the facts alone, not what others opinions are, because it was not just my opinion that i based the suspension on, it was in upholding the rules of the forums, notifying the member they were in violation, and after it was clear that the posts would not be removed, as they are still there, which he had ample time to remove the posts immediately after it was suggested that he do so.
so again, based on the facts, not opines, since you clearly are verbal with what you think would have been the better approach, please enlighten us as to how you would have moderated this specific situation?
Regards,
DosDawg
If the post was a violation and you couldnt remove it, you are saying that a improper post goes unchecked unless the poster removes it? Thats scary, and I was unaware of that.
If you want my opinion, I have nothing to gain or lose from someone getting banned- Considering the (now) known bad blood being exchanged here, it probably would have been in the best interest of the forums themselves to have just let it go- I knew nothing about these spats, and as a new user if I made those deductions I'm sure someone else could.
Whats done is done, you really cant go backwards- shame too.
Peace folks!
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I have two questions..
Is their list of moderators on this site? How do we know if your a moderator?
Most BBS I've used indicates the users "status"
I'm beginning to hate this place..
ManOfTeal.COM a Proud UNA site, six years running strong! |
From the rules - We tend to err on the side of caution to protect the integrity of the system.
This most definitely does not appear to be the case here. I still fail to see how a free service offered to the community is an issue. The worst thing that modmysite is really guilty of, is posting in the wrong forum - as is stated in the thread - http://www.boonex.com/unity/forums/topic/Free-Ray-Media-Server-Hosting.htm
From the rules - Affiliate based URLs are not allowed anywhere on the system.
DosDawg - I believe that you are an affiliate.
So. If the rules are to be literally followed to the 'letter', with 'no erring on the side of caution', then I suggest that all references to your own site be removed - as regardless of who posted them - 'affiliate based URL's are not allowed anywhere on the system'.
The way I see it - you can have it one way, or the other, but not both.
/DM
Dolphin - Ajax Masturbation |
From the rules - We tend to err on the side of caution to protect the integrity of the system.
This most definitely does not appear to be the case here. I still fail to see how a free service offered to the community is an issue. The worst thing that modmysite is really guilty of, is posting in the wrong forum - as is stated in the thread - http://www.boonex.com/unity/forums/topic/Free-Ray-Media-Server-Hosting.htm
From the rules - Affiliate based URLs are not allowed anywhere on the system.
DosDawg - I believe that you are an affiliate.
So. If the rules are to be literally followed to the 'letter', with 'no erring on the side of caution', then I suggest that all references to your own site be removed - as regardless of who posted them - 'affiliate based URL's are not allowed anywhere on the system'.
The way I see it - you can have it one way, or the other, but not both.
/DM
I agree 100% all I here about is terra byte this and that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ManOfTeal.COM a Proud UNA site, six years running strong! |
I have two questions..
Is their list of moderators on this site? How do we know if your a moderator?
Most BBS I've used indicates the users "status"
I'm beginning to hate this place..
Yes - I suggested this to Andrew ages ago, along with some other recommendations.
/DM
Dolphin - Ajax Masturbation |
you are truly entitled to your opinion. this was not about reference to any ones site, and you are incorrect in assuming i am an affiliate.
From the rules - We tend to err on the side of caution to protect the integrity of the system.
This most definitely does not appear to be the case here. I still fail to see how a free service offered to the community is an issue. The worst thing that modmysite is really guilty of, is posting in the wrong forum - as is stated in the thread - http://www.boonex.com/unity/forums/topic/Free-Ray-Media-Server-Hosting.htm
From the rules - Affiliate based URLs are not allowed anywhere on the system.
DosDawg - I believe that you are an affiliate.
So. If the rules are to be literally followed to the 'letter', with 'no erring on the side of caution', then I suggest that all references to your own site be removed - as regardless of who posted them - 'affiliate based URL's are not allowed anywhere on the system'.
The way I see it - you can have it one way, or the other, but not both.
/DM
When a GIG is not enough --> Terabyte Dolphin Technical Support - Server Management and Support |
Laughable~~~~
From the rules - We tend to err on the side of caution to protect the integrity of the system.
This most definitely does not appear to be the case here. I still fail to see how a free service offered to the community is an issue. The worst thing that modmysite is really guilty of, is posting in the wrong forum - as is stated in the thread - http://www.boonex.com/unity/forums/topic/Free-Ray-Media-Server-Hosting.htm
From the rules - Affiliate based URLs are not allowed anywhere on the system.
DosDawg - I believe that you are an affiliate.
So. If the rules are to be literally followed to the 'letter', with 'no erring on the side of caution', then I suggest that all references to your own site be removed - as regardless of who posted them - 'affiliate based URL's are not allowed anywhere on the system'.
The way I see it - you can have it one way, or the other, but not both.
/DM
I agree 100% all I here about is terra byte this and that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When a GIG is not enough --> Terabyte Dolphin Technical Support - Server Management and Support |
That's because Terra Byte is a well respected company on this site. You possess an intuitive intelligence so powerful it can help you heal, and relieve stress. |
I'd venture to guess people can figure out for themselves based on presentation, action and method. Anyone tempted to run this software would, if they were smart, research and base a decision on how people handle themselves; its an excellent indicator of how they do business as well. |
I'd venture to guess people can figure out for themselves based on presentation, action and method. Anyone tempted to run this software would, if they were smart, research and base a decision on how people handle themselves; its an excellent indicator of how they do business as well.
LOL - totally 100% agree with you there. Presentation is a good first indicator, add integrity to this and it should really wrap it up for most people.
Here's an interesting piece of trivia - When Boonex was suffering from the recent DDos attacks , and were deciding what type of server to migrate to, who was it that Andrew boon publicly asked for advice on the matter?
...answers on a postcard please...
/DM
Dolphin - Ajax Masturbation |
To avoid any confusion as to why I replied to this post was simply this topic was showing on Unity main page in the forum RSS, it was not searched out to be targeted.
However now reading the post in question, there are 2 sides that can be put up for debate.
I did not see anywhere the moderator clearly identified himself to the fact a being a Forum Moderator, if there was a clear direction that the demand to remove the posts was being directed by clearly stating that, as a Forum Moderator & in public, refusing to comply with this request could see your account suspended, then that would have removed all doubt.
Posting in full view of the public, in direct reply to post in question eliminates "Beyond All Reasonable Doubt"
There may have been a very different result to the reply if it was made clear to the member, that to remove the post was coming from a Forum Moderator & not that of just another member.
We are all looking for more support for D7 & not less.
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modmysite user was activated.
It is nothing bad to provide free RMS.
But it is some type of advertisment and this is a reason that DosDawg suspended modmysite user.
Some conflict of interests is involved, since moderator have own web & rms hosting.
Moderator should not have personal and especially financial interests during judging.
So this judgement should be ceased.
This situation can arise more conflicts in the future, and DosDawg moderator status will be reviewed again, because true moderator can not have financial interests during judging.
I know that DosDawg is really supportive on the forums and many users trust him, but moderator(judge) can not have business around it or don't be a moderator.
Rules → http://www.boonex.com/terms |
modmysite user was activated.
It is nothing bad to provide free RMS.
But it is some type of advertisment and this is a reason that DosDawg suspended modmysite user.
Some conflict of interests is involved, since moderator have own web & rms hosting.
Moderator should not have personal and especially financial interests during judging.
So this judgement should be ceased.
This situation can arise more conflicts in the future, and DosDawg moderator status will be reviewed again, because true moderator can not have financial interests during judging.
I know that DosDawg is really supportive on the forums and many users trust him, but moderator(judge) can not have business around it or don't be a moderator.
Good call guys.
I am happy to continue to contribute to a community that encourages freely helping others, so I will repost my free mods and continue my free support
/DM
Dolphin - Ajax Masturbation |
Finally, some common sense.
modmysite user was activated.
It is nothing bad to provide free RMS.
But it is some type of advertisment and this is a reason that DosDawg suspended modmysite user.
Some conflict of interests is involved, since moderator have own web & rms hosting.
Moderator should not have personal and especially financial interests during judging.
So this judgement should be ceased.
This situation can arise more conflicts in the future, and DosDawg moderator status will be reviewed again, because true moderator can not have financial interests during judging.
I know that DosDawg is really supportive on the forums and many users trust him, but moderator(judge) can not have business around it or don't be a moderator.
There are none so blind as those that will not see. |
Sometimes, I find it hard to believe what I see. My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees. |
AlexT,
i think you are more than wrong in your assessment. The advertisements were reported to Andrew, and as i understand it he was not available for one reason or another to respond to the posts himself. I did not say that anything was wrong with the posting of anything Free, i said it was wrong to post in the forums and on the blogs, just as stipulated in your rules.
This had nothing to do with financial gain or loss AlexT, and if you guys would pay more attention to what is being posted on these forums, you would have been the one to remove his advertisements. Since there is not any other tool available to us as moderators, the suspension was the only recourse. I immediately wrote Andrew and asked that the posts be reviewed.
You are wrong in your assumption.
modmysite user was activated.
It is nothing bad to provide free RMS.
But it is some type of advertisment and this is a reason that DosDawg suspended modmysite user.
Some conflict of interests is involved, since moderator have own web & rms hosting.
Moderator should not have personal and especially financial interests during judging.
So this judgement should be ceased.
This situation can arise more conflicts in the future, and DosDawg moderator status will be reviewed again, because true moderator can not have financial interests during judging.
I know that DosDawg is really supportive on the forums and many users trust him, but moderator(judge) can not have business around it or don't be a moderator.
When you guys fail to respond to a request from a moderator, what other reproach do we have available to us? I am glad you have restored modmysite, and I surely hope that you have explained to him that he was in violation of the rules. Once again, there was no financial interest in the moderation procedure. That is just terribly wrong, and one-sided for you to consider that. I posted to Andrew immediately when Rob started posting his advertisements. It was later discovered that Andrew was out of town.
Regards,
DosDawg
When a GIG is not enough --> Terabyte Dolphin Technical Support - Server Management and Support |
It is not an assumption, it is a fact which need to be considered. Your behavior was absolutely right as moderator, but with your interest in this case, your judge need to be ceased.
Your email was received by VictorT and Andrew forwarded another one to me. VictorT didn't notice anything wrong, he was out for some time too due to personal reasons, and maybe didn't pay enough attention to it. I was very busy with boonex.com site transfer to another server, and have not much time to check this report carefully, but after quick look I didn't notice anything wrong.
Sorry for not replying to you in time, this is another one reason, this situation is out of control.
AlexT,
i think you are more than wrong in your assessment. The advertisements were reported to Andrew, and as i understand it he was not available for one reason or another to respond to the posts himself. I did not say that anything was wrong with the posting of anything Free, i said it was wrong to post in the forums and on the blogs, just as stipulated in your rules.
This had nothing to do with financial gain or loss AlexT, and if you guys would pay more attention to what is being posted on these forums, you would have been the one to remove his advertisements. Since there is not any other tool available to us as moderators, the suspension was the only recourse. I immediately wrote Andrew and asked that the posts be reviewed.
You are wrong in your assumption.
modmysite user was activated.
It is nothing bad to provide free RMS.
But it is some type of advertisment and this is a reason that DosDawg suspended modmysite user.
Some conflict of interests is involved, since moderator have own web & rms hosting.
Moderator should not have personal and especially financial interests during judging.
So this judgement should be ceased.
This situation can arise more conflicts in the future, and DosDawg moderator status will be reviewed again, because true moderator can not have financial interests during judging.
I know that DosDawg is really supportive on the forums and many users trust him, but moderator(judge) can not have business around it or don't be a moderator.
When you guys fail to respond to a request from a moderator, what other reproach do we have available to us? I am glad you have restored modmysite, and I surely hope that you have explained to him that he was in violation of the rules. Once again, there was no financial interest in the moderation procedure. That is just terribly wrong, and one-sided for you to consider that. I posted to Andrew immediately when Rob started posting his advertisements. It was later discovered that Andrew was out of town.
Regards,
DosDawg
Rules → http://www.boonex.com/terms |
It amazes me how different pairs of eyes can see the same thing so differently. As long as it's OK to post links to free stuff, irregardless of what may be on the other end of that link, I thought I'd post this link. Viva La Free Stuff!
http://www.modmysite.com/free-mod-exchange/9206-dolphin-mods.html
Enjoy! My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees. |
I moderate on a large site does not matter what it is point is Admin and Mods should not carry this out in public how unprofessional can it get? A Moderator should always be neutral..... This sort of thread will turn Members away. |
It amazes me how different pairs of eyes can see the same thing so differently. As long as it's OK to post links to free stuff, irregardless of what may be on the other end of that link, I thought I'd post this link. Viva La Free Stuff!
http://www.modmysite.com/free-mod-exchange/9206-dolphin-mods.html
Enjoy!
Well would you look at that! ModMySite are such supporters of Dolphin, they even allow post like this to exist! Geeze...
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First, thank you to those of you who have offered your support in this situation.
To others, you are more than welcome to slam ModMySite.Com and me, anyway you wish, here on Unity, on ModMySite, or via email or private message.
I don't have any regrets about anything we have ever done on ModMySite.Com, stretching back almost 8 years now.
Slammers and bammers have come and gone many times over the years - but ModMySite.Com lives on.
To those of you like houstonlively and others, simply, if you don't like ModMySite.Com, then don't visit it.
As for this "banning" event here on BoonEx.Com...
It appears the ban of my Unity account by DosDawg WAS unjustified, or at least, not carried out in the proper manner, as this was the ruling of the BoonEx staff. As Alex T. mentioned, moderators have no moderator tag - this would have gone a long way towards avoiding this entire event. As for banning users, a warning system, via email or PM, is also called for... as it can not be forgotten, that, at least in my case, I have a paid membership here. With that, comes some expectations - for example, a formal written warning and so on. Perhaps Alex T. will enhance the software to support this.
The emails between me and Alex T will be posted on ModMySite.Com in upcoming days. You can look, if you wish, to see if I lied to him to sway his decision. I can tell you, I did not. But you can judge for yourself. (link)
As for the Free RMS Hosting...
and it being a trick to up-sell people, I replied to that in a post on ModMySite.Com (link)
As for the other issues that also resulted from this banning event...
In particular me becoming disillusioned with the current "state of things" related to BoonEx and Dolphin 7 - this has opened a "can of worms". Namely, this event allowed me to step back, and really look at what was going on with things. I expressed to Alex T. that the things on this list perhaps needs to be addressed, if BoonEx wishes to, as they are becoming a problem. Many people are getting frustrated. I posted a summary on my forum if you care to look. (link)
My manifest also went out as a mass email to 5K+ users on ModMySite. I received many replies back. Many people reinforced the items mentioned in my list. In addition, a common thread that runs through many of the emails was that people were scared to post, complain, or question anything here on Unity, as they had been shot down, ridiculed, and abused as a result. Later, you can read these emails (yes they will be edited to protect the senders privacy) on ModMySite and decide if a problem exists or not for yourself. If anyone would like to be able to make an anonymous comment to be included in that posting, please email your thoughts and concerns to support@modmysite.com
You may ask, why do I have a right to send out such a manifest. I too, am a paying user of BoonEx products, and I have a vested interest in the current and future of the product.
Moving on to freedom of speech and all that...
While ModMySite may not be a "free for all", we do allow pretty much anything to be posted on ModMySite as long as it is related to aeDating or Dolphin (or a related script) and the content is within reason (no kiddie porn, for example).
As for our "Free Mod Exchange", and people posting modifications for swap or whatever, I do moderate or edit some when I have time. Or when I have been specifically requested to do so - as I was by IlBelloDelWEB.it (Spywall and others).
We have the same exact same policy related to copying, imitation, re-selling, leeching and copyright violation as BoonEx.Com
has. (BoonEx
Link) (ModMySite
Link).
In closing...
I don't think I violated any Unity policy with this, my first post, since my Unity account has been reinstated. But if I have, I would expect at least one private message (warning) informing me about it, with a suggested resolution, from a user who is clearly identified as a moderator on Unity.
I completely expect my words in this post will be attacked, ridiculed, and abused by those who disagree with me - but I can take it. After almost 8 years of being involved in this script or its ancestors, I have seen it all and heard it all.
I stand behind my words, my actions, and my opinions. Always have, and always will.
-Smoge
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modmysite user was activated.
It is nothing bad to provide free RMS.
But it is some type of advertisment and this is a reason that DosDawg suspended modmysite user.
Some conflict of interests is involved, since moderator have own web & rms hosting.
Moderator should not have personal and especially financial interests during judging.
So this judgement should be ceased.
This situation can arise more conflicts in the future, and DosDawg moderator status will be reviewed again, because true moderator can not have financial interests during judging.
I know that DosDawg is really supportive on the forums and many users trust him, but moderator(judge) can not have business around it or don't be a moderator.
Looks like my letter and others to uno@boonex.com was finally listened too.
Good choice on the reinstatement of modmysite...
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Kudos to the real administration.
Even after all this, I see selects still trying to get a jab in. Sad.
@Dawg - The days wasted if you dont learn something new, proof positive you can teach an old dog a new trick.
@Mag - Youve been too quiet towards the end of this thread which surprises me.
@Houston - You know, as I pointed out earlier theres a whole underground out there that has practically everything released by and for Dolphin up to the day and anything else sold on the internet - the smarter ones dont get listed in the standard search engines. Thats an inevitable repurcussion and downside to both the internet itself and more closely, probably some of the crap going on here as it relates to Dolphin. Case studies show that at least 2 out of every 10 digitally transferred files become released into public domain. Its WHY they do that needs to be continually addressed.
Customers who come to support sites are there because they have an interest in the first place.
I will venture to say that once a person plays around with some of the junk out there they'd end up getting smart and going to the authors anyways. Microsoft is a clear example of an entity that knows their stuff is pirated, and will admit openly (Bill has had more than one discussion over the years on this subject, going all the way back to the days in the garage, and on BBS's - I have most of them on a floppy somewhere LOL) that this ALSO promoted/(s) the product. Its how the developers handle the people who made the mistake of going the other route that wins support. Last I looked MS is still around.
At least on a site like Mod' the people there can be told (if they don't already know) about the legalities, and ethics involved, and the warnings- the people silly enough to download via those methods will just do it somewhere else anyways- would you rather them learn that way, or not at all? The customers foot is in the door at that point and they are savable. Piss em off and eventually they'll find those places/things that aren't virus infected, broken or incomplete, all it takes is a little time. That's actually a window of opportunity wether you believe it or not. Savvy?
@JCT (see above)
@EVERYONE - We should be able to walk away from this mess a bit wiser. I hope some of you can set aside the differences long enough to try to remember why you are supposed to be here. You either love it, or have a monetary interest- (and some both maybe) to proceed further you still have karmic and methodical rules you have to go by or you're gonna sink.
Coffee and doughnut anyone?
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When you guys fail to respond to a request from a moderator, what other reproach do we have available to us? I am glad you have restored modmysite, and I surely hope that you have explained to him that he was in violation of the rules. Once again, there was no financial interest in the moderation procedure. That is just terribly wrong, and one-sided for you to consider that. I posted to Andrew immediately when Rob started posting his advertisements. It was later discovered that Andrew was out of town.
Regards,
DosDawg
Thats why it's probably best to let it go and not take matters into your own hands, I guess. It certainly wasnt life threatening.
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Coffee and doughnut anyone?
I'll take some :)
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I am disappointed by some people here. Especially those who have chosen sides when they do not know what is actually going on. I stand firm on the belief that there has been no wrongdoing by the suspension of this member, and that fabrications have lead to some choosing to believe that abuse had taken place, when it did not.
I will not debate this further: I have said all that I need and more.
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a matter of opinion, and duly noted.
When you guys fail to respond to a request from a moderator, what other reproach do we have available to us? I am glad you have restored modmysite, and I surely hope that you have explained to him that he was in violation of the rules. Once again, there was no financial interest in the moderation procedure. That is just terribly wrong, and one-sided for you to consider that. I posted to Andrew immediately when Rob started posting his advertisements. It was later discovered that Andrew was out of town.
Regards,
DosDawg
Thats why it's probably best to let it go and not take matters into your own hands, I guess. It certainly wasnt life threatening.
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I concur
I am disappointed by some people here. Especially those who have chosen sides when they do not know what is actually going on. I stand firm on the belief that there has been no wrongdoing by the suspension of this member, and that fabrications have lead to some choosing to believe that abuse had taken place, when it did not.
I will not debate this further: I have said all that I need and more.
certainly the truth has been misconstrued, and once again, the actual thread where this should be posted has been ignored.
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Rob, your account was suspended justifiably. Because you choose to lie and consider that i had some monetary interest in your abuse of this forum and site, that is your problem. If you post adverts on this site again, that are not in the market, I will suspend your account again.
First, thank you to those of you who have offered your support in this situation.
To others, you are more than welcome to slam ModMySite.Com and me, anyway you wish, here on Unity, on ModMySite, or via email or private message.
I don't have any regrets about anything we have ever done on ModMySite.Com, stretching back almost 8 years now.
Slammers and bammers have come and gone many times over the years - but ModMySite.Com lives on.
To those of you like houstonlively and others, simply, if you don't like ModMySite.Com, then don't visit it.
As for this "banning" event here on BoonEx.Com...
It appears the ban of my Unity account by DosDawg WAS unjustified, or at least, not carried out in the proper manner, as this was the ruling of the BoonEx staff. As Alex T. mentioned, moderators have no moderator tag - this would have gone a long way towards avoiding this entire event. As for banning users, a warning system, via email or PM, is also called for... as it can not be forgotten, that, at least in my case, I have a paid membership here. With that, comes some expectations - for example, a formal written warning and so on. Perhaps Alex T. will enhance the software to support this.
The emails between me and Alex T will be posted on ModMySite.Com in upcoming days. You can look, if you wish, to see if I lied to him to sway his decision. I can tell you, I did not. But you can judge for yourself. (link)
As for the Free RMS Hosting...
and it being a trick to up-sell people, I replied to that in a post on ModMySite.Com (link)
As for the other issues that also resulted from this banning event...
In particular me becoming disillusioned with the current "state of things" related to BoonEx and Dolphin 7 - this has opened a "can of worms". Namely, this event allowed me to step back, and really look at what was going on with things. I expressed to Alex T. that the things on this list perhaps needs to be addressed, if BoonEx wishes to, as they are becoming a problem. Many people are getting frustrated. I posted a summary on my forum if you care to look. (link)
My manifest also went out as a mass email to 5K+ users on ModMySite. I received many replies back. Many people reinforced the items mentioned in my list. In addition, a common thread that runs through many of the emails was that people were scared to post, complain, or question anything here on Unity, as they had been shot down, ridiculed, and abused as a result. Later, you can read these emails (yes they will be edited to protect the senders privacy) on ModMySite and decide if a problem exists or not for yourself. If anyone would like to be able to make an anonymous comment to be included in that posting, please email your thoughts and concerns to support@modmysite.com
You may ask, why do I have a right to send out such a manifest. I too, am a paying user of BoonEx products, and I have a vested interest in the current and future of the product.
Moving on to freedom of speech and all that...
While ModMySite may not be a "free for all", we do allow pretty much anything to be posted on ModMySite as long as it is related to aeDating or Dolphin (or a related script) and the content is within reason (no kiddie porn, for example).
As for our "Free Mod Exchange", and people posting modifications for swap or whatever, I do moderate or edit some when I have time. Or when I have been specifically requested to do so - as I was by IlBelloDelWEB.it (Spywall and others).
We have the same exact same policy related to copying, imitation, re-selling, leeching and copyright violation as BoonEx.Com
has. (BoonEx
Link) (ModMySite
Link).
In closing...
I don't think I violated any Unity policy with this, my first post, since my Unity account has been reinstated. But if I have, I would expect at least one private message (warning) informing me about it, with a suggested resolution, from a user who is clearly identified as a moderator on Unity.
I completely expect my words in this post will be attacked, ridiculed, and abused by those who disagree with me - but I can take it. After almost 8 years of being involved in this script or its ancestors, I have seen it all and heard it all.
I stand behind my words, my actions, and my opinions. Always have, and always will.
-Smoge
To any who choose to violate the rules on this forum or the blogs, I will use any and all methods of moderation to curtail the behavior. If in the meantime that ruffles some feathers, thats just what it is. If you post advertisements that are not in the market, offering free or paid services, You will be asked to remove your post, just as was in this case, if you refuse, then the appropriate action will be taken. It really doesnt matter to me how much you whine and cry, or what little ban of sphincter wranglers you drag out of the mud, you were wrong, and if you dont see that then you are blind.
You suspension was justified, and that is not just my belief, but the belief of many on this site. In the end, the result is that you are to know that no advertisements should be placed across the site. The market is the only place where you are to place your adverts. If you cannot read the rules of the site, then maybe you should get one of your underlings to decipher what was written.
Bottom line: DO NOT POST ADVERTS (outside of the market) of any kind FREE or PAID.
Regards,
DosDawg
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Coffee and doughnut anyone?
I'll take some :)
Theres popcorn too.
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Bottom line: DO NOT POST ADVERTS (outside of the market) of any kind FREE or PAID.
I'd expect this to cover users doing the same thing. Just refer people to the market.
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OMG, and somebody just offered free coffee, donuts and popcorn |
Modmysite: As Alex T. mentioned, moderators have no moderator tag - this would have
gone a long way towards avoiding this entire event.
Translation: You knew what you were doing was wrong, and wouldn't have done it if you knew you would get caught.
Modmysite: You may ask, why do I have a right to send out such a manifest. I too,
am a paying user of BoonEx products, and I have a vested interest in the
current and future of the product.
Please clarify this. Are you saying that you have equity in Boonex, i.e. part ownership of the Dolphin product? That's what vested means.
Modmysite (via modmysite.com):
The sniveller,
known as houstonlively at Unity has linked to this thread.... which has nothing to do with the
conversation in the thread over at Unity.
So I will update this thread... since it seems he wants to draw
attention to it.
a) the mods in question here are on rapidshare - not on ModMySite. b) we go by this policy, which is the same as used on Unity. The policy was written by BoonEx (Andrew Boon), and we adapted the
same policy. You can read it via the link below: Copying, imitation, re-selling, leeching and copyright
violation.
Smoge
There is a word for guys like you. The word is hypocrite. It means to pretend to have principles which you do not really have. You have just proved this by posting your so-called anti-piracy notice in the exact same thread that you allow a link to a bulk download of copyrighted works. That is one of the finer examples of a hypocrite I have ever seen.
BTW: I find it absolutely f**ing hilarious that someone that just sent a crybaby email out to thousands of people, would call anyone a sniveler. ROFLMMFAO!
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Anyways - my last post (OWN3D) said all I have to say on this particular matter, in this thread, on Unity.
You guys can carry on and post as you wish.
Bash me / hash me / trash me if you feel the need.
Support me also, if you feel it is right.
But I will not be responding here in this thread anymore.
My job related to this issue (being banned, then re-instated) is done.
I have better things to do with my time.
Have fun!
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We will. Believe me.... I understand your frustration with all of this. It must be quite a culture shock coming from one of those 'anything goes' sites, as you put it, to this one where a handful of volunteer moderators try to actually enforce a few basic rules. Good luck with your warez site. I'm sure it will be more popular than ever, once Dolphin 7 mods start flying around. (wink.... wink)
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I seem to have misplaced my secret decoder ring.
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I can tell you where to look for it ?
I like the one guy on his site that got banned for not sharing his mods but instead listed the ones he had to trade via PM.. Sort of made me laugh that he got banned for not sharing to everyone or listing download here links.
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I can tell you where to look for it ?
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I am disappointed by some people here. Especially those who have chosen sides when they do not know what is actually going on.
@magnus - If you are in any way referring to me, I would say that it is you that does not know what is gong on. A case of not seeing the wood through the trees.
Everyone is so wrapped up in DosDawgs flame war / vendetta / whatever, that they are missing the simple point that this place is supposed to be a support forum.
I have not chosen any sides in this matter, my opinion is simply based on the ideal that this is supposed to be a support community and someone has been chastised for offering support, it would not matter who this was. This is the only reason I come here, and having already been on the receiving end of one of my rebuttals regarding chastising noobs, you would know this to be true.
@Boonex - I have already blogged before about public perception - this is a perfect example of what I was talking about. You are well aware of how you are being represented here, and it is not in a very positive manner.
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Yeah, were all pros here... ^^^
I agree. Nothing more really needs to be said.
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Pm me I will let you you know whats the best and perfect solutions. Get rid of free RMS will give you headache.
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