Privacy Settings Revisted

I am revisiting the topic of privacy settings.  I enabled the "Default" privacy group and "Default Values".  My take is that members can set default values and not have to set them each time.  However, the whole system seems to be screwy.  One, you check enable default group but then when you go to your privacy settings you can set the default group which does not make any sense because you don't want to set a default group, there should be a default group that applies the settings that the member sets under "Default Values"  Plus, when you go to post, it is still set by default on public.

This default idea is good as it could allow one to just hit submit without having to go through each item, view, allow comments, etc and set them; just hit submit (as many are doing now) and it all goes as you want.

So someone explain how this Default Group that you set to public yet can set default values is suppose to work?  Is it that if you set Default Values it overrides what is in the Default group you set?  See, if it is confusing to me as an Admin; this will be confusing as well to my members and if nothing else, I can simply add an explanation.

However, even with the default group enabled, "public" is still the default selected value.  I would think that you would want to set "default" as the selected value; since the whole idea is that you don't have to go through selecting the privacy settings, you just let it default to what you set in privacy settings.

I hope you are editing sys_privacy_actions->default_group column.

GG as I see it the system allows the "Site Owner" to setup permissions that are what we will call the start or "default"  but each post has its own set of permissions based on the posters and the purpose of the post itself.  IOW if the "start or default" is not what the poster wants he has a complete list of possible options to chose from in order to post his let call it "digital post"  If I have something like a contract that I only want 2 people to see no matter what the default is.  I as the end user have to understand how this works or it could get ugly quick with the wrong people seeing information that could affect their decision.  So to me the defaults are really only a start but understanding is the most important part of what you seem to be having issues with.  The permission based viewing is what kept me here the entire time as it is essential in my business.  I hope this helps but to me the confusion is obvious and when push comes to shove this feature is not covered hardly ever here and I often felt it was because people just don't use it.  Over the years I love this feature and it has always worked for me with the way I USED IT.   One thing I can tell you is I really ignored the defaults because I wanted to make sure I ALWAYS set them up correctly as if I ever made a mistake it could be ridiculous how big a mistake it could be.  I also checked rechecked and doubled checked by setting up clients accounts that I could use to test the settings.  It was fun using 5 different people to see if this worked...      

No, I am not editing anything at the moment.  Trying to understand the "Default Privacy Group" and the "Default Values" for now to see if that is something that can help with members not understanding they are setting everything to public.

Here are some screenshots.  I enable both default group and default values.  In the default group, one can select the standard groups enabled on the site.  Now with default values, you can set the default value for each one.  When you go to create a blog post, if you have default group enabled, you can select default; without it there is no default in the drop down selection.  So what is the story on how these two work?  Is it that if I set in default group "public" does the default values override that Public setting?  I would think that you would enable the "Default Group" as a group but not be able to change it; it would just be in the drop down as "default" and then you would set the default values in the "Default Values" section.  Note, setting default values is in the account privacy.

The first screenshot is in the admin panel.  The second screenshot is in the member's account=>privacy groups where the member can set their default values.

I am still looking for an explanation on these privacy settings.

No Dolphin users using these settings?

Default values for privacy groups are just the values to be selected by default when adding new content.

Default group is very useful but a bit tricky to understand thing (this is the reason we turned it off by default in 7.1). If you set "public" privacy group for your 10 events, 20 photo albums and 3 groups, and decide to change to "friends only" privacy group - you need to go through all you content 10+20+3 and change every entry manually, which can take some time or even impossible if there is more content. However if you assign "default" privacy group to all these content then to do the same thing, all you have to do is to change your "default" privacy group from "public" to "friends" and all these content will change the privacy just with one action!   

I understand the use of "Default Group".  However, how does the default values get used; the default group under the drop down only shows up if I have enabled "Default Group" in the admin. 

When you go to create your content, the default selected is public and there is no selection available for "default values".  It seems to me there should be a "default values" in the select tag and that I can set that as the default for the privacy settings for the post.  "Public" will be applied if one clicks submit, not the settings in "Default Values".

Hello

Default values for privacy groups are just the values to be selected by default when adding new content.

It's the way of how Default Values are working.

When you go to create your content, the default selected is public and there is no selection available for "default values".  It seems to me there should be a "default values" in the select tag and that I can set that as the default for the privacy settings for the post.  "Public" will be applied if one clicks submit, not the settings in "Default Values".

Yes, if you try to add some content you may see that Public is selected by default. But if you check Privacy page -> Default Values block and find related module and action you'll see that Public is selected there too. So, change the value in Default Values block to Friends, save it and reload (CTRL + F5) the content creation form. You'll see that the Friends will be selected by default instead of Public.