Mini Meta Tags ....

Ok, got a complaint. Another one of those areas that seems more of an afterthought than a real commitment to functionality. Meta Tags.

Now I know many people don't think they are that important anymore and many of the tags serve little, if any real purpose but I still like them. I am a firm believer that anything you can put into the source of your page to help define you and your site is important enough to follow through on.

Currently, Dolphin only provides for 2. Description and keyword.

Here is a good list. Now I'm not saying all of these should be used but I think making it where we can customize our meta requirements for our site (in a modular fashion, if necessary) instead of sticking us to 2 of them is a must. Also, I think customizing your meta presence per page is a must as compared to using the same set of meta tags for all pages within the site.

Attribute Values

Value Description

• author Defines the author of the document
• copyright Defines copyright information of the document
• description Defines a description of the document
• distribution Defines the distribution level of the document (like "Global")
• generator Defines the program used to generate the document
• keywords Defines keywords to describe the document
• progid Defines the id of a program used to generate the document
• rating Defines webpage rating
• resource-type Defines the type of the web resource
• revisit-after Defines the expected update rate of the web resource
• robots Defines rules for robots (web crawlers for search engines)

You can also define your own names in a schema. This is still a very powerful tool in sight building and I don't think Dolphin has done a very good job at all in this area.

How bad do you want per page meta tag settings?

Wow, a post from the past. I had all but given up on an easy way to do this.

I want it as bad as you want to build it.

Did you finish IPB and need a new project now?

HL Is testing IPB. He seems to like it. I am still hammering out a redirect bug he found during testing so it's not on the market yet.

But i have already started this Meta Tag project anyway. My sales have been low, and this IPB thing is slowing me down. I need something to get my stats and sales back up.

When i am done with IPB i most likely will not be putting it in the market. It will be sold to a select few who i believe can install it without to much trouble.

HL seems to think the install process is simple, but i believe i will be up to my ear lobes with support questions.

I would purchase the meta tag mod from you as well as the IPB mod with no regrets or grief for you. You know I'll give it the attention it deserves

Can't say for certain all the tags you originally mention. Some still are valid while others sort of no longer exist or are relevant at least in google terms or eyes which is mostly what matters.

Google no longer values meta keywords in headers for meta keywords. Basically it is a waste of time to spend any time or work on them at all as they are totally devalued and have no importance what so ever.

Other search engines may still value them, but I wouldn't count on any search engine putting much weight on meta keywords at all. Descriptions as in meta descriptions can be helpful for search results, but no scoring or ranking method. Just to be more specific.

Robots related is kind of touchy too. Some crawlers disobey the robots header and robots.txt file.

Better to optimize a page with content, keywords, and title these days rather than header coding at least for google which is all that matters compared to other search engines, unless something changes.

You can check these vids by matt cutts from google for more information about meta keywords being absolutely useless in google:

Should I spend time on meta keywords tags?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_euoDRk1qN0

Google does not use the keywords meta tag in web ranking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK7IPbnmvVU

D6.1 did a piss poor job with page titles and descriptions, d7 does a slightly better job, but it still needs some work.

 And your point is? We already knew all of this.......

BTW Noob... Google isn't the be all. end all of SEO optimization... Jesus, I got to stay away from this place today. I can't deal with all the pseudo-inflated egos around here.

I ran into a serious snag on this one that going to slow me down. Never fails. I always run into something in how dolphin it written that has me pulling my hair out. At this rate i won't have any left.

That's ok, LOL. I have a new project for you...... :-)

I need an active topics mod for Orca

Sorry. I won't touch orca.

I wouldn't call myself a noob, but that's all good. Google is the be all, whether you like them or agree or not. Yahoo, msn/bing, and any other remote thing that considers itself a search engine is nothing. If at some point the rest can remotely compete then yes one would consider optimizing for them as well. Until they learn to play ball and generate the traffic google does then they aren't worth the time of day.

I do not disrespect deano's work. He is a great programmer and asset to this community. I have seen similar mods, and basically what it comes down to is you are wasting your time and money on such a modification and optimization that means little or nothing in the seo world. Seo people might tell you different because they make a shit load of money off people for stuff like this. There are other kinds of seo that will benefit you much more than keywords and descriptions in the header tags.

I am glad everyone understands this. If they understand it so well and are tuned into it they should easily see tons of unique visitors per day, rank in the top 10 or page 1 for numerous keywords or key phrases when doing a search in any major search engine. If not they better continue reading and researching, because keywords in the header isn't going to do it.

Modifications are cool and some look nice, but they do not get you to page 1 in a search result.

I do not like everything google does or stands for, but since they rule the search world I do keep up with the way they do things. Similar could be said for Boonex.

Additionally it is good to know everyone in this community is aware of this and understands how this works that is great!

not here to dispute this issue, just here to provide some information on the keywords discussion. keywords are ignored by google and have been for years. spam and blackhat SEO killed that some 10 or so years ago. now sitemaps on the other hand, are a relative entity , as well as descriptions, and titles.

i can tell you something else, the domain has little or no bearing as well. i have proven that for some number of years. but  there is a compilation of all factors, since we do not know the algorithm, and it changes periodically, there is now way of knowing how to masterfully create in order to obtain good SERP Placement.

ok here is the deal, and somebody can take this to the waybackmachine and check it. May 2010, has how many more websites on the net, than say in May 2005?

so you get where this would be going, the number of sites have exploded exponentially as the number of computer owners have also exploded exponentially. where we (old school) may have used the Big Chief Tablet to learn our alphabet, and learn how to write columnized mathematical problems, kids today have notebooks, netbooks, ipads that they are learning from and on.

so yes brother SF, keywords are of non-use at this day and time. good solid textual content is. i have preached this one for years as well. the glamour and glitz make for an eyecandy site, heavy text, which this goes back to what the japanese said about the US some 20 years ago, ( americans are lazy and stupid), if you dont read, you will not obtain knowledge. now i know there are some of you who would like to dispute that, and say that you have learned much form looking or staring at an image, but what did it teach you, nothing, one image is just that, one image, and there is no applicability for the next scenario.

Text is king, and Google has made sure of it. Google where it may be considered "not the be all end all" of search engines. Google by far, is the absolute best at what they do. Google has contributed to the exponential growth of the internet, as well as the searchability of the internet, by indexing the millions and millions of sites.

i just as gameutopia, do not agree with all that google does or stands for, same with microsoft, however, i continue use microsoft products, and i continue to strive to learn the direction in which google is going. NOW HEAR THIS --> whichever way google goes, the minions will follow (bing, yahoo, ask, AOL, and anybody else who think they have a search engine.

ok tired of this rant, one last word, brother SF, gameutopia has been around much longer than the crew you now know. he is one who grew tired of the drama and overall BS that came with dolphin

Regards,

DosDawg

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/09/google-does-not-use-keywords-meta-tag.html

http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en/us/webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf

Not 100% convinced of the value of all meta tags, but description and title do have value, and this alone requires the per page ability to set these values.

/DM

Work on my mod was stalled because the built in pages in dolphin are identified for injection and other stuff for the head using dolphin page indexes which unfortunately are not unique per page because some pages use the same page index.

However i did find that each page does have a different title that appears to be different on each page. As unique as it gets.

So i am working on a per page head injection module that will use the current title as a matching system for the injection that will allow current head contents such as title or desc to be replaced, and to inject any other content into the head section such as meta tags, script, or styles. Pretty much any thing that can go in the head section.

That will work perfectly for me. I can also wait till you finish that IPB mod for it as well ()

I considered writing a mod for this a short while back - I was going to look into adding an invisible field (or two) to the page builder - like the existing html block - Drag it onto the page somewhere and then type in the info - say one block for description tag(s) and one for title.

The blocks do not get displayed but the data is pulled from the database along with the other data when the page is parsed. This info is then substituted into the relevant parts of the page header using the existing template engine.

This pretty much takes care of the main content pages.

Obviously, additional info needs to be extracted for child pages, as they do not appear in the builder. In this case, the page title + perhaps a snippet from the description can be used and appended to the title / tag for the main page.

Never got any further than the initial idea tho.

/DM

This should be picked back up as meta tags are now a very important part of getting your pages noticed on Facebook.

https://developers.facebook.com/docs/opengraphprotocol/

I am STILL trying to inject meta tags into my index page with little or no success.

This is some important stuff. Facebook, whether we want to admit it or not is the big player here and being aligned with them as perfectly as possible will have a very BIG effect on your membership.

Facebook has what's called the 'Open Graph Protocol'. Instead of me telling you about it, I'm goona post the first paragraph from the link I posted above.

The Open Graph Protocol enables you to integrate your Web pages into the social graph. It is currently designed for Web pages representing profiles of real-world things — things like movies, sports teams, celebrities, and restaurants. Including Open Graph tags on your Web page, makes your page equivalent to a Facebook Page. This means when a user clicks a Like button on your page, a connection is made between your page and the user. Your page will appear in the "Likes and Interests" section of the user's profile, and you have the ability to publish updates to the user. Your page will show up in the same places that Facebook pages show up around the site (e.g. search), and you can target ads to people who like your content. The structured data you provide via the Open Graph Protocol defines how your page will be represented on Facebook.

Don't think Meta Tags are important? .. Think again. One pore point, I HIGHLY recommend you spend the $25 and buy Deanos Head Injection module. It will save you HOURS of frustration making this all work.

I was working on a module for this but stopped in middle cuz it will require lots of code changes by the user to install. So, i thought lets postpone it for sometime later.

The module was to pull the liked/shared users avatar, videos thumbnails, photos thumbnails etc etc with its descriptions.