Market updates

Most of the mods I bought in the past are not upgraded for 7.3 so what's the use of upgrading scripts ? 

At this moment it's almost impossible to build a site on 7.3 because of the outdated mods in the market. All you can do is build another plain dating or community site ...

We are depending on 'goodwill' of the developers which means waiting, waiting, waiting, ... because most of them are having full time jobs and no time to spend on their business here.

I have at least 5 websites which cannot be upgraded because of the integrated mods.

Very frustrating.

I have to agree with you

running not good here

different with Oxwall if there is a page update follows 2-3 days later an update of plugins and themes at the latest

And when I ask to buy an elder mod because I'm still using Dolphin version 6, all versions seem to be locked and no reply from vendor (although he has a lot of mods in the market).

Even more frustrating !

This is no good for Boonex ...

My guess for this is that they probably don't want to support the module for such an outdated version of Dolphin.  You could try contacting the developer directly and state you want to buy the module without any support; may work, may not.

It isn't for sale at the moment, disabled until upgraded.

Meanwhile, all we can do is wait and keep smiling (not).

Guess I'll have to search for other options and don't look in the Boonex market anymore. It's hopeless.

that is one of the reasons i left and moved on to different platform.
unless Boonex takes control of things people will leave and don't look back.
You can't have an great site unless boonex will give the vendors real commitment rules so they keep there products up to date. And boonex should give vendors enough time and space to update and keep up too...

In other words people it's time to make a change in how things are done.

Is there a way for Boonex to upgrade without breaking modules?

Is there a way for developers to work on modules without requiring core file changes?

There must be a way for the two to come together more fluidly.

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I personally think this problem is widespread on many competing products. The only "product" that really has everything in the box is Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware. Everything is considered core and it's the only one that has been this way for years. Unfortunately it's horrendous to look at.

I remember some time ago there was also a thread which tried to discuss a "core release" and then a "core release plus core mods" but the core release we have today has core mods by Boonex. What the original author was trying to say in that thread was "core Boonex Dolphin plus mods" and "core Boonex Dolphin plus mods plus 3rd party mods".

What I've personally experienced since being involved with Dolphin is "Boonex" and "3rd party mod developers" don't really seem to "talk" or collaborate that well. Again I believe this is a general problem regardless which platform is out there but as Michel comments above, there really should / must be a better way.

You'll be hard pressed to find anyone without some complaint in this area and although challenging to resolve, effort should be put in to resolve. The status quo isn't really acceptable.

Frustrated users will turn their back and never return. That should be avoided.

There are many good coders out there who have been with Dolphin from the beginning. Yet, you hardly hear them anymore (except for the few die-hards).

And those who bought the products, have to wait too long for the updates. All their websites broken because only the core can be upgraded.

There's lots of other solutions nowadays to create a website (community or not) so Boonex really needs to find a solution for this problem ... fast.

The developers are independent and are not require to update modules every time Boonex decides to change the version number.  Look at it in this light.  I sell a plugin to Microsoft Office that is popular.  In the next upgrade of Office my plugin does not work and I decide not to upgrade the plugin to Office.  In your view, Micorsoft should be able to force me to upgrade my plugin for Office.  That is what you want Boonex to do.  All that will do is to drive developers away from Dolphin.

If a developer does not upgrade a module then that is his/her choice.  Suck it up.

Third party plugins from independent developers not associated with Oxwall?

Boonex updates their modules and themes when they release a new version.  Vendors are not part of Boonex.

That's why there should be some kind of agreement between Boonex and the developers.

Or should we ignore the market completely ?

Good market products can also be improved by other developers. Look at WordPress, it happens there.

In the end, those developers sell their products to make money, don't they ?

Food for thought.

 May I ask what module your looking for?

Sorry, that version 6 was a typo. I meant 7.1 :-)

 NM then, also can't help with the PM.

I don't suck it up....
why? because i think that the vendors do have a obligations to there clients!
Or they should tell the people who want to buy a product from the beginning that it comes without any future upgrades and not after one or two updates like: stuff it as I don't feel like it anymore!!

And yes maybe it's the microsoft way but it works GG.
(All that will do is to drive developers away from Dolphin.) I don't think so to be honest... if you keep up the good work people stay and that's a proven fact.

people here spend lots of money and time on creating/building a site and it's only fair that it keeps on working.

If your willing to pay the developer for the upgraded version then why not just pay any one to update your site.  It's that simple.  Pay some one to upgrade the site/module and stop complaining about it.

Boonex shouldn't nor will they ever force developers of modules to update there code. 

I am also willing to bet any module you have for 7.1. will almost likely work with 7.2.x and maybe even 7.3.x. 

If it don't work then at most it will take a couple lines of code to get it to work.. 

Let me guess boonex should also upgrade your site for you and fix any other problems you may have with the site for nothing as well..   pfff   Again if you can't do it find someone who can and pay them for there time just like you would pay the vendor to upgrade there scripts. 

No one and I mean no one will work for free in the IT world.  

I guess if you bring your car in for an oil change you would want the windows cleaned the paint buffed and waxed and the tires rotated just because you bought an oil change ?

I just kicked a good 20 clients out the door because the kept telling me I should be responsible to work on and maintain there site and upgrade every time for free when boonex released an update just because they hosted with me...

Stop being cheap and PAY some one to upgrade your site, your modules, your template...  

Just to add another tid bit of information. I've also noticed some mod developers say they will upgrade forever, on future Dolphin releases, but don't actually do that.

So unfortunately there's high risk in buying mods from "smaller" vendors.

I must say also though, even the larger vendors may/may not upgrade their mods. There are no guarantees which is why you need to be highly selective of the vendor and the mod ie. do you really need it.

@annabel: it does need to be better than what it is currently.

@dolphin_jay: unfortunately that view is too simplistic. I'm sure there are people running it for free and on a shoe string.

@GG: from what I can tell the incentive for the vendor to release updates is to sell more of those mods compatible with the latest versions - to new users who would only be installing the new Dolphin versions.

We need the market and need third party mods, because frankly the standard Boonex core and mods just aren't enough to really go on-line with.

This is why better collaboration is needed.

Dolphin Jay : this isn't about money. Why is there always people telling us to shup up and pay ?

It's not easy to find 'someone' to upgrade because that 'someone' would have to go through the complete script AND the third party module to understand how things work. No outside coder will do that, no customer will pay for that.

This is about interaction between Boonex and third party vendors.

That is why you hire developers that have worked with Dolphin.  I have done custom code work on Dolphin sites; I already understand the classes and code structure of Dolphin.  If the developer does not have Dolphin experience, then they will need to learn first.  Stick with Dolphin developers.  Also, be willing to pay a decent fee; if you expect code at a few dollars or pounds an hour, then go to India coders because most can not afford to work for nothing.  However, don't cry when the Indians produce crap code.