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https://www.battleforthenet.com/sept10th/

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I'm in. Thank you!

This seems totally stupid if i read it right.

This is to complain about slow internet and the FCC trying to keep it slow...

Well i can have 500/mbs up and down on fiber optic in my area if i can afford it.  current speeds are 75mb up and down.

At 500mb/s most laptop and spin type hard drives 5400rpm wont even be able to keep up with those speeds.. 

Speedtest.net says i get 83.1mb down and 94.6mb up.   Seems plenty fast enough for me.. (complete dvd download in under 5 minutes.) 

So again what's the point of all this,  just to tell the FCC to F-off ? 

The cable companies are throwing a lot of money at changing the rules.  What they want is to be able to slow down sites at will; or maybe even block sites if they wish.  You have to understand that your fast connection does not control how fast you may download a streaming video; the ISPs can control data flow and if you read your contract you will see "up to" if I am not mistaken.  So if ComCast decides that they will throttle the speed of the data between you and NetFlix unless NetFlix plays ComCast a ransom, uh, extortion fees, uh, fast speed access fees; call it what you will, then that is what will happen.

So from your comment I as a hosting provider don't have the right to throttle say email usage and I should let my clients send out emails by the 1000's a second using 100% cpu and bandwidth ?

Keep in mind if comcast/cox/rogers or who is going to do this will loss home clients by the thousands and they will be  blackballed by a lot of people and will gain zero new clients. 

Now if who ever is putting up the poles on the street and paying for the wire to run and owns the network to me, they have a right to charge a small toll if you will.  Why should I let you use all my stuff for free that I payed millions for.

Why do I have a funny feeling that no matter what they do I'll be able to get around it?

When the ISPs start nickle and diming you for every little thing you do, you will wish for the consumer protections that we are trying to get for you.  When they block your sites because they don't want you to visit them, you will wish for the consumer protections that we are trying to get for you.  Corporations are not your friend because you are not a dollar/pound to them, they don't give a shit about you and when competition is gone, and rates are out the roof and service is in the toilet, you will wish for the consumer protections we are trying to get for you.

It always amazes me; unless I am wrong and you are a millionaire, why the masses stand behind corporations that want to do nothing but fuck them in the arse.  People in the US pay more for less bandwidth that even small countries in other parts of the world.  People walk around with 4G phones bragging and there are no true 4G networks in the USA; the corporations are serving shit on a silver platter to the people and they are eating it as if it is caviare.

What?  How are you going to get around what they do at the router level in their server rooms?

 Go through a proxy that hides what site I'm on for one..

well I get a whopping 4mb connection in my area and no fibre / cable etc... :-)

on a good day, I am able to load a webpage without lag when both my sons are online also.

Most days, I am pleasantly given a retro experience that takes me back to the joyful days of r 56k dial up modem :-)

Still, at least I can still make a phone call now while online!...

(considering moving house just to speed up my internet!)

things will never change. oops i am wrong it will get worse!!

unless we all are willing to pay more money for something.
here in holland we have fast internet... but that comes with a price.: 50 euro's a month (about 70 US)

I don't know if that is a lot but that means that before i press enter the page is up :-)

But it's silly that providers would be able to block or slow down pages.
That the Gov would do soemthing like that... hey that's nothing new.

You don't understand.  You can not change the last leg of the packet transmission between your ISP and you; how are you going to proxy around the wire from the cable company to your modem?

Well, if the cable companies get their way, and the wireless carriers as well, you will need to move to another country.

That is what the local cable company started charging me for a 10 meg down, less than 1 meg up link.  I finally switched to a new provider but it is still too high for what I get.  Part of the problem is competition or the lack of it. 

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Today, Jacksonville FL on Comcast.

Comcast tried this before. They want to be the "Gatekeeper". Jay, I think you are missing the point. They want to be able to allow massively fast speeds to you for you to buy their content. They also want to throttle everyone else down so it does not impede on their ability to charge you a premium price for this content or the access to it. If you want to be able to serve at the same speed they serve at, it will cost you big time......

I've always had a problem with how the internet runs. As it stands right now, your home based content delivery is throttled. They allow large download speeds but limit your upload stream. (think 20MB download with 728k uploads). The idea is to prevent you from delivering content from your home based server that might cut into their market. If they have their way, even the online resources we use (like Zarconia) won't be able to deliver comparable speeds unless they are willing to shell out the big bucks.

 Here's a the big question. Why are download speeds always faster than upload speeds? They are exactly the same data wise, just running in a different direction....I use a local server (Telos online) to get my commercial grade internet. My soeeds are exactly the same both ways and it is delivered via a focused digital signal via a rooftop dish. My ping rates are always in the single digits because of it.This is the ONLY provider I have ever been able to get equal speeds from. Everyone else baits you with HUGE downloads then limits your upload speeds

I don't think I should bother since my speed (tested at speedtest.net) is way over head.

 Thank you for pointing this out, then we should all protest and make internet both ways evenly. fuck the 1 way street, big bros.

 this is a  very script-kiddie idea. The fact that you're behind a proxy alone is really SLOW already. show me a proxy that can give you 100 Mbs and and I will treat you a starbuck.

My frustration is the high speed internet providers.  In my area there are only Comcast and Verizon, I'm sure there are other companies out that that want to provide high-speed internet business in my area but the fucking greedy politicians were bribed by those 2 big corps that's why other, smaller companies can't never get in.

Let's say we have at least 5 high-speed internet providers in our area, the price,speed and everything should be much much better. We should protest to get more high-speed internet providers for our areas.

Internet/Cigarettes pretty much the same thing to me. I want my fast internet, so I will pay whatever I need to pay for it; Just like my cigs.  I remember when they were $6.40 for a carton. Now I can't hardly find a pack for less than that - and I still buy and smoke.

While this would be extremely nice, do not forget that the lines to your house have been put in by those big name greedy companies. So even if other companies were allowed to compete, their prices would be greatly affected by the existing line owners. "Oh you want to provide internet in this area? Pay us $200,000 a month to use our lines - or install your own lines to the houses in the area." 

I don't think a lot of the ones understand here.  This is not about what your ISP will offer you in speeds when you sign up; yes, they are overcharging for what we get but that is not the issue.

People on here are trying to build sites; some to try and earn a living, others for fun.  One of the good things about the internet is that it is a level playing field.  Watch the video I posted in this thread; it is humourous and educational at the same time.  So, I can build a competitive site to say facebook and know that as long as I have the equivalent servers and bandwidth, that my content, my site, will load just as fast as facebook.  What the broadband companies are wanting to do is to change all that.  They will say, "if you want your site to load as fast as facebook's, then you need to pay us so that we won't choke your site bandwidth to our customers."  Facebook has plenty of money, so they can pay it.  We are struggling to get our sites going, so we may not have the money to pay the broadband's companies extortion fees.

It is important that the internet stays open and continues to have that level playing fields.  It is especially important to most of the ones on here trying to build sites with Dolphin.  I encourage all to watch the video, you can get a few laughs and you can learn how the big corporations are trying to change the internet for the worst.

This discussion is getting way off topic.  I can understand that, because the website GG references (https://www.battleforthenet.com/sept10th/), does a really lousy job of explaining what they are protesting.

If I understand things correctly, the concepts under protest have absolutely nothing to do with your internet connection speed that is provided by your ISP.  I'm going to take an educated guess, and assume the protest is about cable companies wanting to charge websites a fee to exchange data over their infrastructure, and that websites that don't pay that fee will have their data rate throttled by the cable companies as that data passes through their company owned hardware.  Websites that pay, would be allowed to use the fast lane. None of this would be a technologically difficult thing to implement.

Currently, I don't believe it is legal for cable companies to do this.  I can't imagine the FCC allowing legislation to pass that would allow a handful of large cable companies to do this.  However.... it would not be the first time that money and greed has prevailed in Washington, over what would be the morally right thing to do.

Like I said, https://www.battleforthenet.com/sept10th/ does a really lousy job of explaining things.  Participating in a protest with unclear reasons or objectives, is not usually sensible, but in this case, it certainly wouldn't hurt to do so.

FYI: AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner Cable, and Verizon are the cable company bad guys, and you can't connect to any website in  the US without data passing though their hardware.

If you want to do something else, use this image as your profile photo on Facebook, and share publicly what it's about.

The issue is here is about net neutrallity, which means that all data should be delivered in the same way, using the shortest routes and max throughput.

Before your website is displayed on someones computer, the data is send from the datacenter to the backbone of the internet. This backbone has a webstructure and the IP protocol is designed to find the fastest way to the end point (the users computer).

A lot of data is send over this backbone and this is becoming more and more. Especially things like streaming video take up a lot of bandwidth. Now what these companies propose is to put down a toll road for data. Just like in the reall world you can choose to stand still in a trafficjam or pay to use the toll road.

This might sound like a good idea, but for example; you have a nice video site and wan't to compete with youtube, etc. Google can afford to pay for this toll road but you on the other hand will have a hard time getting that money together.This means it will hard to compete with other video sites. Your video's will take a long time to load and not run smoothly. Or you have to adjust the quality of the video's. How can you compete? Why should you (or your provider) have to pay for this? I believe there is something wrong with their business model, if this is their solution.

No matter the speed of your connection at home, when the website you are visiting is not on the toll road, it will be slower than when that website is using the toll road.

The next step is that search engines are going to pinalise you on “user experience” and load times and before you know it, the internet belongs to a few big players and no one else.

In the Netherlands, net neutrallity has been made in to a law but not in the US (and many other countries). This partition is there to make people aware of what these cable companies are trying to do and to stop this proposal from beingt accepted by parlement. If you're in the US or target US customers than this partition gives you the opportunity to stand up for your rights and to make others aware of the awfull things that these companies are trying to do to your internet. Not just for you as a website owner, but alo for you as a website visitor!

(I hope this explains it a bit better)

Thank you HL and Denre for helping me to explain what this is about.  Remember that the internet was created and given to the public; it started out in government and universities but was expanded and given to the public at large.  I don't mind companies using the internet to make money.  However, I mind very much when the large corporations mentioned are trying to seize control of the internet for their own greedy interests.

 No scripts or kiddies involved. I can't show you one that fast because I've never had a connection anywhere near that fast even without  a proxy. But I can show you one that doesn't slow me down if it will still get me a frappachino.

This has nothing to do with the topic folks, this has nothing to do with it at all.   

The tactic of 'For those who pay best, deserve the best' has been a philosophy for all businesses since the beginning. And to the point, recently Comcast/Xfinity and Netflix had a deal where their customers would get a faster 'stream speed' compared to those on other networks.

I would have to agree with HL and say I don't see where the FCC would legalize ISPs to give special privileges/restrictions at a single customer level just because they want more money from you. You get what you pay for, period. I have Xfinity Extreme 105 internet since it comes with the package I bought, but to imagine they would 'throttle' my service unless I paid them more is somewhat improbable. Not saying it's impossible, just not probable. Looking at the big picture, if these giant corporations did decide to do something like that and punished the 'average Joe', you can better believe there will be other companies out there offering a way out.

Because Wheeler use to work for ComCast.  Why Obama placed him in at the FCC is beyond me, it is like putting the wolf in charge of the hen house.

Without going overboard here... Why Obama does 99.99% of what he does is beyond me.. 

 Voting = having someone else take care of things beyond our comprehensive. We will never understand all of politics because we are not privy to all of it.

 RE:

 I don't think you quite understand.  It is not your service that will be throttled.  It would be all the websites that don't pay to have their data delivered to the client via a high speed channel. 

 Sorry. Gotcha.

now I have a better understanding of what's going on, thank you for the clipped notes. The web site did a terrible job to address the issue with the regular folks who don't want to spend a lot of time reading. 

This is very bad for small time webmasters, and eventually will be bad for the visitors, the internet as a whole.

P.s I did not vote for the current US president, the welfare receptions did.