How to upgrade to TinyMCE 3.5.6?

Dear all

Dolphin 7.0.9 use the older version TinyMCE Version: 3.4.9

How to upgrade to the new version TinyMCE 3.5.6?

Thinks

You don't.

Any attempt to upgrade will break to many things in dolphin. These things are updated when the next dolphin version comes out.

Same thing with JQuery.

Best to leave them alone and upgrade dolphin instead when the next version becomes available.

Oh, I see.. Thanks any way.

About 8 months ago I did what you're thinking... I upgrade to the latest version of TinyMCE thinking it'll make things better.  Major mistake!!!  It introduced an "impossible to fix" bug in my new dev site and eventually I just backed away from the mess, deleted everything, and started over again with a fresh install of Dolphin. 

RE:

 Now ya tell me.  I upgraded one of my sites to 3.5.6 a few weeks ago. I haven't found out what I broke yet though.

Ok, then i will let you tell him how. Most of the time it screws up the forums. Sometimes it will work. It all depends on what dolphin relies on that got changed in the new version. I still think it's best not to touch it.

I didn't actually do the upgrade on purpose.  I was experimenting with something  that involved uploading a new copy of tiny, and never reverted the changes... I had intended to, just forgot.

Personally I don't like the answer "You Don't".  For one, TinyMCE should be implemented in a way that should not break anything of Dolphin, and secondly, the next release of Dolphin may still contain an outdated version of TinyMCE.

I am working on upgrading TinyMCE to 3.5.6 because, one, TinyMCE is constantly working to implement HTML5 into TinyMCE., and two, I noticed that paste from word is not working as it should in the current TinyMCE included with Dolphin and it does with TinyMCE 3.5.6.

 However, Copying over the new TinyMCE files breaks in the Forum on Dolphin.  When one goes to leave a reply, the TinyMCE toolbars loads but are not functional and the forum hangs with the "Loading" message stuck at the top of the page.

If anyone can shed some light on this, I would really appreciate it. While I am waiting for an answer I will continue to investigate on my on.

I say you don't for one simple reason.

Most people here do not have the knowledge or experience to do it. And therefore should not. I have been dealing with support issues in one form or another for 30 years. I have most likely seen things you have not.

I also believe i have been working with dolphin for longer than you have as well.

You do what your want.

But i will continue to provide the advice i feel is appropriate for the majority of people.

What you described above sounds like the same problem I experienced.  My understanding is that the Dolphin Orca Forum code has not been properly updated for several years.  Ideally the forum code would be updated every 9 months to provide better features and allow upgrading improved components like TinyMCE.

I have just started to look into this to see what might be the problem and I think it has something to do with the gz compressor.  Why I don't know yet.

 Yes you have and I realise that you have in-depth knowledge while I don't know anything; I am a Dolphin n00b of the first order.  However, I am willing to learn and I am committed to using Dolphin since I did purchase a licence to help with the developmental costs.

Perhaps you would be gracious enough to provide me with some insight on what I might need to do to implement the TinyMCE upgrade.  Once I learn then I can help the Dolphin community that might need the advantages that TinyMCE 3.5.6 provides.  I certainly don't mind sharing what I learn and that is what being a part of the community is all about; sharing what we learn.

Thank you. 

Just checked the 7.1 branch and found no upgrade to the forum and no upgrade to TinyMCE, YET.  Will TinyMCE 3.5.6 be included with the next release?

They first must have a compelling reason to do so, and I'm not aware of any major issues with the current version.

 First of all, the current version is 3.3.9.4 if I recall correctly.  If for no other reason, there is the fact that TinyMCE has been fixing security issues with TinyMCE.  THAT ALONE should be a compelling reason.  The other is that TinyMCE is adding HTML5; perhaps you have heard of HTML5?  The other is that the current TinyMCE is way outdated and TinyMCE developers have fixed a boatload of issues and added a boatload of improvements.  For example, members are yelling that pasting in content has issues, and it does.  In TinyMCE 3.5.6, these issues are gone.

Hey, it is not like one has to pay for TinyMCE, it is free, as like the birds in the sky.

 So what was the compelling reason for you to do so?

 RE:

 Well, if you are going to get obnoxious, fix the friggin thing yourself.  You seem to know everything, so it should be easy for you

 This should answer your question.

HTML5 is the fifth revision of the HTML standard (created in 1990 and standardized as HTML4 as of 1997)and, as of September 2012, is still under development.

I would think anything still under development shouldn't be used.

I think geek_girl has a good point... as far as the idea that Orca Forum should use the latest stable version of TinyMCE... especially if it's been out for 6+ months.

Actually 3.5.6 was released on July 26, 2012


Anyhow, they are doing a jquery update in this version of dolphin, so they may save the tinymce update for a later version.

They update every few versions of dolphin.

They will get to it eventually.

The current one dolphin has was released on February 23, 201. It's not that old.

No it's not that old (Jan 26, 2012) but it did not contain the latest version of TinyMCE (at the time of it's release)... I think D7.0.9 has a TinyMCE version from last year.

Nope. It has 3.4.9. Released in February 23, 2012.

So, no. 6 months.

Where do you see that?  I'm looking in file tiny_mce_src.js and I see...

        majorVersion : '3',
        minorVersion : '3.9.4',
        releaseDate : '2011-04-13',

I was going by the first post and looking up the released dates on tinymce's website.

But the source shows it different. But it also shows a version that does not exist. So. I guess i do not know what version it is actually using.

3.3.9.4 is listed on the TinyMCE website at the bottom of this versions list... http://www.tinymce.com/forum/viewforum.php?id=2

Ok. Actually does exist.

Found it. Version 3.3.9.4

So the first post is inaccurate.

Ok, so it is a year old. I stand corrected.

But i would rather they switch it out for the the CKEditor instead. It's always been my preference.

100% agree... CKEditor would be my choice too.

 RE

 Nooooo... then all the paid Tiny plugins I use would be useless.

 I don't know anything about Dolphin.  I have been looking through the forum script at the mceCommand comparing it to the information on TinyMCE site.  They are saying that setupContent is deprecated but I am not sure if it can not still be used..  It is clear that the scripts setting up the TinyMCE for the forum have some incompatibilities with the new release of TinyMCE so I have to educate myself on what has changed.

I work on an open source CMS platform and it is entirely free and we don't even care if someone takes the CMS and strips out any or all of our logos or link-backs.  We maintain a forum where we try to help anyone using the software and we have no licensing fees at all.  We openly try to help someone as much as possible.  So if someone came to us and said they tried to upgrade the TinyMCE editor and it cause a problem we jump in and start trying to help the person.  We release all of our plugins to the CMS back to the community although if someone wanted to write a plugin and charge for it they can.  However, the members of the CMS development team don't charge for their plugins and we certainly would not tell the person trying to upgrade the TinyMCE to wait for our next release when since we have knowledge of the CMS we can probably can help them fix it and thus, everyone reading the forum benefits.

If you have upgraded TinyMCE and got it to work with the forum, why would you not share that information with the community?  UNLESS, there really isn't a Dolphin community.   I will say this, If I learn where the incompatibilities exists and I am able to fix them; I will release it back to the community.  I will help others that need and want to upgrade TinyMCE and do it willingly.

 Actually, the W3C has finalised HTML5 and as such are not taking new requests.  Most browser are already able to handle HTM5 along with CSS 3.  As such, as each part of HTML5 is finalised, is set, then one can work to make their applications HTML5 ready.

The other thing about TinyMCE, outside of HTML5 is that they have fixed bugs and made improvements.  Go to TinyMCE website and look at the changes to TinyMCE, it is in very active development.  While the number may not seem to indicate much of a release change, there are many releases between 3.3.9.4 and 3.5.6.  I do have to upgrade TinyMCE and waiting for Dolphin 8 is not a solution.  The solution is that I fix the forum, or strip it out.  Since the forum is the only way for group members to post content, I have to have the forum or try to add a blog to groups.

 If it wasn't for the forum, it would not be that difficult to use CKEditor.   The WYSIWYG is not really a plugin for Dolphin.  On the CMS I am a part of, our TinyMCE is a true plugin.  All one has to do is to have a CKEditor plugin, disable the TinyMCE plugin and enable the CKEditor plugin.  With the forum, you would need to rewrite the forum scripts to handle CKEditor and that may be more of a task than many would like to do.

Looks like tinymce in the svn for dolphin 7.1.0 was updated to version 3.5.6 today.

Yes it was.

 I will take a look.  I was able to get TinyMCE upgraded and it worked for everything but the forum.  I did discovered a couple of deprecated TinyMCE functions that I thought was the problem with the forum script.  one was the gecko-spellcheck and the other was setupcontent_callback that one is suppose to use the new TinyMCE Events API.

Thanks for the information.

 No, it does not solve the problem.  I just checked and the forum has yet to be upgraded.  The forum use to be a stand-alone product.  It handles TinyMCE separately from how the blogs and photo albums, etc, handles TinyMCE.  While it uses the tiny_mce.js located in the TinyMCE plugin, it has it own init and functions to handle the editor that are not compatible with the latest release of TinyMCE.

If anyone has upgraded the forum to use TinyMCE 3.5.6, would you please be kind enough to share with the community?

I installed the latest 7.1 and this works perfectly in 7.1 even with the forum init the same.

So how do I add this to my 7.0.9 site so my users can enjoy the features offered by the new TinyMCE? 

I adapted the new TinyMCE for dolphin 7.1 to my dolphin 7.0.9 and is work fine, there are some changes to make manually and is work.. if you want I can help you..

 Can you post the solution in the forum so we can all be helped (or link to a downloadable solution file)... please and thank you

 Yes, there are several of us that want to upgrade TinyMCE in 7.0.9 and have it work for the forums.  I installed 7.1 to try and see and it works there; but the forum is not the same forum that is in 7.0.9.  I was looking at the canvas)init.xsl thinking it was a deprecated function call but the canvas_init.xsl file is the same, it even includes the deprecated gecko-spellcheck LOL, so the answer is not there. 

@Giovanni_m

Will you please help us? 

@epaulo

I will share the solution with the community if I can figure it out.   I don't want to seem mean but it appears that the Dolphin community is not as open as I thought it would be.

This is giving me a headache.  Just use this file:

http://www.boonex.com/trac/dolphin/export/16870/branches/7.1/modules/boonex/forum/layout/base/xsl/canvas_init.xsl

to apply TinyMCE-3-5-6, you must follow these three changeset..

http://www.boonex.com/trac/dolphin/changeset/16861

http://www.boonex.com/trac/dolphin/changeset/16862

http://www.boonex.com/trac/dolphin/changeset/16863

but very important these changes are applied manually and I repeat this very important because the downloaded zip files contain other modifications for other things added on 7.1, which will not work in 7.0.9..

I have applied all the changes on dolphin 7.0.9 manually and confirm that now works fine..

if you want to test it on dolphin 7.0.9 http://dolphinboonex.com

 Take two aspirins and call me in the morning. 

Guess what?  The canvas_init file is the same for 7.1 as it is for 7.0.9.  The 7.1 canvas_init file even still contains the deprecated gecko_spellcheck and the deprecated setupcontent_callback which evidently still works but is deprecated and may stop working in future releases of TinyMCE.  So, it is not the canvas_init that is causing the problem and the developers need to upgrade the canvas_init file before the 7.1 release.

I think I'll take the whole bottle.  Files are the same eh?  I don't know how some of you folks find your way home.

Go ahead and do that thing the last guy said.... let me know how that works out for you.

 No, they are not.  I was working at 2 am in the morning comparing the same file loaded twice.  Ugh.

 I was going to delete that comment but it wouldn't let me.  One of the fixes mentioned in the diff file is for clearing the comment box after posting a comment; they did not follow your way.

Then there are the changes to the canvas_init file and then changes to plugins and changes to the comment view that does involve TinyMCE  and some changes to the css and changes to the base config that does involve TinyMCE.  As he said, not all all apply.

At least he was more help than you have provided.  I am quickly learning that Dolphin does not have a community; I am use the open source world where we are a community and willing to help each other out.

Have a nice a day.

The file I linked to will fix the issues you were having with the forum.  People around here will help, but pounding the forums daily with the same pointless issue like this one, is quite a turn off.  I don't even know  why  I am still posting here.  It's a stupid text editor for cripes sake.  Your members won't give a rat's ass if it's not the latest version.  There are quite a few issues in D7.0.9 that need attention.  This one doesn't even make the top fifty.  7.1 has the latest plugin. Rejoice.

Perhaps if you found a few other things to bitch about (they are easy to find), reading your posts wouldn't seem like such drudgery.  Mix it up a little... don't just pick a "tiny" issue and make a crusade out of it..... well, you can, but have 4-5 crusades going at once... it'll look better for your image.