Dolphin 7- MediaWiki Integration - Support Forum

This is a Support Forum area for  Dolphin 7- MediaWiki Integration Module.

You can post any questions or complaints here and our programmer will respond to it.

I am very excited about this module.  Just a couple things I wanted to point out:

• The automatic MediaWiki registry of the username I had created on the Dolphin website before the MediaWiki module was added seems to have an error (see attached).
• • Is it possible to automate the MediaWiki registry for existing users of the Dolphin website or will the registration only work for new users?
• The MediaWiki is going over of the border of the iFrame (see attached).
• The "log in" and "log out" buttons are visible in the MediaWiki iFrame:
• • Would it be possible to remove these log in/out buttons so the automated registry and log in/out could on the Dolphin site?
• Could you make the updates of the MediaWiki also show up in the "Spy Wall"?

GREAT WORK SO FAR!

I created a new account on the website to see if the automated registry would work between the Dolphin and MediaWiki registry and got an error (see attached):

Fatal error: Call to a member function getCanonicalName() on a non-object in /home/dolphin1/public_html/demo/wiki/modules/gsgroup/integration/integration/wiki/extensions/phpbSSO/phpbSSO.php on line 273

please hold on I am updating the website with the latest changes to the module. Will notify you as soon as I am done.

• The automatic MediaWiki registration of the username  error has been fixed
• • MediaWiki registration is now automated for existing users of the Dolphin website (New wiki Account is automatically created for dolphin users, the first time they visit the Wiki page
  • Automatic registration also work for new dolphin users
• The MediaWiki has been set to fit the  iFrame border .
• The "log in" and "log out" buttons have been removed from the MediaWiki iFrame:
• •  log in/ log out buttons  is only on the Dolphin site.  Logout of dolphin automatically logs user out of Mediawiki

• Updates of posts on  MediaWiki will show up on a separate block on home page (Latest Wiki Activity)
• Updates of posts on  MediaWiki will show up in the "Spy Wall" in the Next Version of this Module

STAY TUNED

Thanks for the feedback

i have been noticing that some developers are doing integrations of other scripts that are licensed under GPL and copyleft terms, then declaring that their works are commercial products and not redistributal for free or a fee, and cannot be modified. This is a violation of GPL license terms and should be revisited. 

The GNU General Public License (GNU GPL or simply GPL) is the most widely used^[5] free software license, originally written by Richard Stallman for the GNU project.

The GPL is the first copyleft license for general use, which means that derived works can only be distributed under the same license terms. Under this philosophy, the GPL grants the recipients of a computer program the rights of the free software definition and uses copyleft to ensure the freedoms are preserved, even when the work is changed or added to. This is in distinction to permissive free software licenses, of which the BSD licenses are the standard examples.

I think it depends on how it is distributed.

When i did my IPB mod, i was going to sell only the integration module. Obviously because IPB is a commercial product i was not allowed to distribute it. So IPB would have to be obtained separately and installed.

Then my product would tap into the existing installation.

I of course never released this product, but i feel it would have been fine as i was not distributing the commercial product itself.

I am not going to buy this mod to find out, but if mediawiki is not being distributed as part of the module then i would not see a problem. If it is distributed and in modified form then yes, i believe it would be a violation of the GPL.

 you are correct, however this is the reverse of what you are stating. they are taking a GPL fully redistributable application, and declaring its a commercial product and cannot be modified or distributed. you cannot do that on a GPL licensed product. part of using modifying the product prescribes that your modifications are acceptable and you must leave all License notices intact and must adhere to the license standards. 

 if you desire to actually release a commercial product, you cannot have it under GPL license, and you surely cant take works of others and declare that this is a commercial work. 

Interesting topic for sure.  I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on Boonex. 

Regarding the right to sell this work as the developer of the integration:

The developer is selling is the integration of MediaWiki into Dolphin, not MediaWiki itself.  The "Powered by MediaWiki" stamp is also on the iFrame so there is no of misrepresenting the work of MediaWiki.

The MediaWiki software is not being sold.  The installation of the MediaWiki software is a free service provided with the purchase of the developers integration service between MediaWiki and Dolphin.  I believe this is an important distinction between the GNU software and the integration.

I do believe the developers should be compensated for their work.  I actually believe this is an amazing mod now that the developer has updated the demo site!

Regarding the Dolphin powered websites who use this mod:

The GNU licence may come into question when asking for a fee to access the MediaWiki portion of the website.  If that is in question, the simply allow the MediaWiki portion of the website to be accessible (perhaps readable, but not editable if the member hasn't signed into the Dolphin website which would create the MediaWiki registration and Log In).

The iFrame goes blank when clicking "Recent changes", "What links here", and "Related changes".  Please see attached.

 i agree that the mod developers should be compensated for their work. i understand what you are saying in respect to not being a lawyer. nor am i, nor do i profess to be one, though i do know that over the years in reading and understanding as well as several meetings with attorneys over proprietary rights and the difference licenses that are available, i have acquired some understanding. 

GPL is a specific sort of license, just as the license in which dolphin itself is released. i have no qualms for the developer being compensated, what i am referencing is the diabolical comment that this is a commercial work, and cannot be modified. if this product is purchased, then truly it must conform with the license in which the integration was released under. 

@DosDog - If I understand you correctly, basically the developer should clarify that the integration module is the developers commercial work and cannot be modified, nor redistributed...etc., which is completely separate from the installation of the MediaWiki GNU software?

The iFrame is not adjusting to the length of content of the MediaWiki (please see attached).

When clicking on the link in "Latest Wiki Activity" block the link page is opened up in a new tab with no Dolphin layout. (Please see attached)

I would suggest to follow through the link on the appropriate Dolphin page with MediaWiki in the iFrame for continuity of the website user interface experience as opposed to going from a Dolphin layout to MediaWiki layout (with no reference to Dolphin).

 well i am not here to cause an issue, but what i am saying is that you cannot distribute GPL'd software, modified or non-modified, and declare it your commercial work which can neither be modified or redistributed.

If I distribute GPL'd software for a fee, am I required to also make it available to the public without a charge?

No. However, if someone pays your fee and gets a copy, the GPL gives them the freedom to release it to the public, with or without a fee. For example, someone could pay your fee, and then put her copy on a web site for the general public.

 you permitted to bundle your works and sell them commerically, though if i were to purchase your works, i can under GPL redistribute for a fee. 

your works are not registered nor protected under any license type when your works are included with GPL works.

What solution do you recommend DosDog?

 well one thing is the $100 price tag. this is high priced for an iframe, and not really coding anything. 

 i dont know what i suggest other than for those developers to understand what they are posting in regards to licenses, and understanding the different types of license. 

it was just a mention. 

 well good. i was just talking about what was on the advert. mediawiki integration. 

 but it is still considered a modification for the GPL'd software. so which license is this running under? since dolphin is open source, and though different than GPL, just wondering which license this would be running under, and how its determined. since GPL can be sold, there are not qualms about that, however, you cant restrict distribution or modification. 

thats enough for me, but i know that many times developers are running under no license or the wrong license. 

 i understand the cost/variance on software, but compare this to modules that have been built, this is not a module, this is not an integration, its merely a bridge between databases and using iframes for page display on dolphin.

 the price of this is unjustifiable IMHO. consider our good friend deano, who releases hand coded modules, that provide a magnitude of functionality, and he provides that to the community for free. sure he has other modules that are paid modules. i just consider this module to be overpriced for what it is. if it were truly an integration, then maybe, just maybe, but search the market, this is one of the highest priced modules listed. 

i think jt has integrated wikimedia on Dolphin v-6. 

i can get this done for $100 one-time from an indian freelancer. so nice suggestion, but doesnt change my opinion about the cost.

My first thought was I see this is a free software and I went out to look at it and found it in 5 minutes and downloaded the software.

I thought well they i-framed the exact same thing.  Hmmmm $100 damn that is expensive for what this is.  LOL I see the developer is trying to integrate this into Dolphin with the same sign-in which others have tried with many other programs..........Hmmmmmm he says he has done it......

If it can be done there is value but I have to agree $100 seems very high and I think he will end up adjusting the price based on sales but I could be wrong...............IT the idea is about integration which is a viable thing and something worth paying for.  I think it should be very clear that the payment is for that Integration of what is a FREE product and not try to assume that end user knows that.  

Thanks for the clarification.   ' One is Paying for Integration  not for the free Software'

The price definitely will be determined by the Market Responses. If  a lot of people need it, definitely the price will go down.

iframe? $99? Are You F*cking Kidding Me? Nothing personal, it's just business.

Any update on these issues or an estimated time when they will be addressed?

Any update on these issues or an estimated time when they will be addressed?

Any update on these issues or an estimated time when they will be addressed?

Complaints  has been noted,  site demo is currently being moved to a new domain   http://www.cmsintegration.org  and product will be updated during the week.

Any update on the progress?

 bump.

I'd really like to buy this module this week.  I first wanted to follow up on the errors I listed earlier on this forum, but it appears the website link listed is not up at the moment.

Could you give us an update and let us know when we can check out the website?

Thank you again for all your hard work.

Please continue to support this module.  It has a lot of potential.

We are still developing  this Module with many more features, but due to  the different custom requests received specific to each client needs and development cost,

we decided to create a Basic  General and affordable  Integration module  (Dolphin 7 - Media Wiki  Integration )

http://www.boonex.com/m/dolphin-7-mediawiki-integration

Any one who wants Advanced integration Mod with more extra features added to the Basic Mod can  list out the specific features you want and  contact us for a quote.

Moved.

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 Live Demo

http://cmsintegration.org/demosite

http://www.boonex.com/m/dolphin-7-mediawiki-integration

http://cmsintegration.org/demosite/

The link sends out a 404 error, btw.

I would be interested in a solution as well, as we want to add a wiki for handicapped people to our seite for ostomy patients.

Does anyone have this bridge or can tell me how to integrate the wiki in dolphin?

Thank you and kind regards from Biggi

The Bad News:  Smile4Sammy was banned from Boonex and I have not been able to contact him.

The Good News:  The integration MediaWiki/Dolphin 7.1.0 integration is working on my site, but not heavily tested.  

I would welcome a trusted developer to review my site files as a template for the integration and support.