Dear Boonex: Groups are so yesterday - part 2
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No, calling it pages doesn't make any sense. Pages are like what I do in the backend. I bring up the builder and I click on add page and I add the code for that page. That is what pages are and I have created a lot of pages as part of my help system. Boonex, if you do add the ability being described, don't call it Pages as that doesn't make sense for what the "module" does (or will do). That is what HL is calling it but that does not mean that you and everyone else needs to call it pages. Geeks, making the world a better place |
HL is making sense, he gives a good reference for one of my sites. For instance, your Beetle site: The pages concept would be a good place for businesses that specialize in custom painting Beetles, or businesses that specialize in hard to find beetle parts, etc. The 'Pages' concept sends the message that we are here, and we are here for everybody.I get a member that owns a repair shop or any business pertaining to my niche. He not only wants his own profile, now let's say he want's a page on my site that only has his content what they do and such. (Your thinking) about adding pages in the pages builder, which is not what this is, those pages cannot be edited by the member. Now giving them their own page to edit as they like makes good sense to me. When a customer ask, "Do you have a site?" Yes I do over at mynewbeetle.net/VWWerks this would not be a profile, but a pure business page. I know most business have websites, but Mom and Pop operations do not most of the time. I'm ready! ManOfTeal.COM a Proud UNA site, six years running strong! |
Geek_Girl.... What is you issue with someone else seeing something you don't? Your relentless pursuit of defining what a page is boarders on the ridiculous. Are you the portal all must go through in order to foster the exact use for a page or how it is defined? If so please point out the path that defines this title and all the power(s) it encompasses or you paid for. My point being your limited imagination is most assuring that this page does not exist and that no one unless they charged you for it would bestow such a title to you. Now please let this issue go and allow those who want it and appear to have convinced the powers that be to have it. Perhaps we need to pay a toll to get through the gate you apparently want to stand in front of? This is all tongue in check and with the utmost of humor happy New Year but allow us to pass and consider this the toll needed to do so...If not prepare for an onslaught of written reasons why you need to be taken off the must of been paid for keeper position... No, calling it pages doesn't make any sense. Pages are like what I do in the backend. I bring up the builder and I click on add page and I add the code for that page. That is what pages are and I have created a lot of pages as part of my help system. Boonex, if you do add the ability being described, don't call it Pages as that doesn't make sense for what the "module" does (or will do). That is what HL is calling it but that does not mean that you and everyone else needs to call it pages.
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OK, lmao ManOfTeal.COM a Proud UNA site, six years running strong! |
RE: I get a member that owns a repair shop or any business pertaining to my niche.
He not only wants his own profile, now let's say he want's a page on my site that only has his content what they do and such. (Your thinking) about adding pages in the pages builder, which is not what this is, those pages cannot be edited by the member. Now giving them their own page to edit as they like makes good sense to me. When a customer ask, "Do you have a site?" Yes I do over at mynewbeetle.net/VWWerks this would not be a profile, but a pure business page. I know most business have websites, but Mom and Pop operations do not most of the time. I'm ready! I would add that many small businesses DO have a website, but one that gets little attention. A small business that has a PAGE as part of a larger website, has the advantage of a captive audience that is likely interested in what that business has to offer. Everyone already knows the advantages of having a page on Facebook, and this is no different. In fact, it's better. A "Page" on FB is one of millions, and people usually find it through personal contact with the owner or friends, or by some other means outside of FB. Yes, people do find 'pages' by directly searching FB, but I don't think that's the case most of the time. In the case of a Beetle site, where all the 'Pages' may hold something of interest to the members, and those pages are appropriately indexed, I believe the members are more likely to actively go checking out all those pages belonging to businesses all over the country. If the Beetle site got enough of those 'Pages', you'd one day have the go-to site for anything to do with Beetles. I for one, can imagine it happening, but first you have to give businesses the tools to work with. They can do it now by creating a "Group", but that just doesn't sound right. A business directory isn't quite the same. A static business ad just doesn't convey a living, breathing presence like an actively maintained 'Page' does. My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees. |
In the case of a Beetle site, where all the 'Pages' may hold something of interest to the members
that is exactly what my competitor site, I'm shooting to overtake(lol,) lacks, it is pure forums; not to go off topic, if we could just get a better forum I'd be ready to go with this new "Pages" idea, as of now I HATE our forums for what I'm trying to do. ManOfTeal.COM a Proud UNA site, six years running strong! |
In our current development we call them "profiles". Some types work as an ID, too. They are an important concept and HL gave a good example. Heart Head Hands |
Well said CSampson, Geek girl give it a rest. Geek_Girl.... What is you issue with someone else seeing something you don't? Your relentless pursuit of defining what a page is boarders on the ridiculous. Are you the portal all must go through in order to foster the exact use for a page or how it is defined? If so please point out the path that defines this title and all the power(s) it encompasses or you paid for. My point being your limited imagination is most assuring that this page does not exist and that no one unless they charged you for it would bestow such a title to you. Now please let this issue go and allow those who want it and appear to have convinced the powers that be to have it. Perhaps we need to pay a toll to get through the gate you apparently want to stand in front of? This is all tongue in check and with the utmost of humor happy New Year but allow us to pass and consider this the toll needed to do so...If not prepare for an onslaught of written reasons why you need to be taken off the must of been paid for keeper position... No, calling it pages doesn't make any sense. Pages are like what I do in the backend. I bring up the builder and I click on add page and I add the code for that page. That is what pages are and I have created a lot of pages as part of my help system. Boonex, if you do add the ability being described, don't call it Pages as that doesn't make sense for what the "module" does (or will do). That is what HL is calling it but that does not mean that you and everyone else needs to call it pages.
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RE: In our current development we call them "profiles". Some types work as an ID, too. They are an important concept and HL gave a good example. I'm not sure we're on the same "page". I'm talking about websites within a website, and the word 'profile' just doesn't have the right ring to it. The word 'page' is something hundreds of millions of people have grown accustomed to, thanks to FB, so why use a different word? Even if you came up with a better word than "page", you shouldn't use it. Why? ..... because you want people to draw a parallel to the FB page, and realize that Dolphin 'pages' are so much better than anything FB has. My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees. |
http://modloaded.net/dolphin709/m/pages/home/, have you tried this one yet? I believe this is what you're trying to accomplished. Unlock Your Future |
http://modloaded.net/dolphin709/m/pages/home/, have you tried this one yet? I believe this is what you're trying to accomplished. For me, your demo site leaves me feeling uneasy, look at this page http://modloaded.net/dolphin709/m/groups/home/ IMO your demo site should work, all your "pages" are private...we don't want members making an account just to see the page. The template "pink" makes it look even worse. If you expect to sell a product, your demo site should blow our socks, yours makes me run.. ManOfTeal.COM a Proud UNA site, six years running strong! |
Please try again. Unlock Your Future |
Please try again. How is a customer to refer someone to their "page" if they are all set "private?" Your missing HL's point. I want to send a person to mysite.com/mybusiness, (now this should not interfere with membership names with the correct code.) with what I see on your site is I have to actually login or is there a reason you have set the "two" pages private? ManOfTeal.COM a Proud UNA site, six years running strong! |
I think this is exactly what I want my members to be able to do. http://mynewbeetle.net/page/VWWagonWerks the part I want to get rid of.. http://mynewbeetle.net/page/VWWagonWerks
[edit] Another example would be http://mynewbeetle.net/page/pages but of course without the "page" in the URL ManOfTeal.COM a Proud UNA site, six years running strong! |
Exactly Correct... And further I think you are exactly right in your description of a Mod offered as this is already in place. His mod is evolving but if I were him I would look to others to help him finish it up. He has the idea somewhat but again his is limited to the FB concept which is left brain spreadsheet type and closes the door on so many other options or the right brain concept. The concept HL has figured out is the social media aspect that is collectivism of traffic so that ALL benefit. It has been a very long road for him HA HA (no insult implied or even remotely thought previous posts about this aside,) as he has hated FB in the distant past but apparently has crossed the bridge to the "understanding," of the overwhelming benefit of traffic to one site that then benefits all that have the ability to bring something to the table once the "end user," is there. I think this is exactly what I want my members to be able to do. http://mynewbeetle.net/page/VWWagonWerks the part I want to get rid of.. http://mynewbeetle.net/page/VWWagonWerks
[edit] Another example would be http://mynewbeetle.net/page/pages but of course without the "page" in the URL
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Another example would be http://mynewbeetle.net/page/pages
but of course without the "page" in the URL This would be the layout, members of course would be inserting their info for the page, what I did was put that site in an iframe which I sure we don't want but I think there could be the option to do it this way. ManOfTeal.COM a Proud UNA site, six years running strong! |
Can we admit that HL is a genius and stop arguing and nit-picking his intent? IMHO, The guy is simply stating what needs to be done and is a simple wake up call on progress that SHOULD be made and update the content and useability of this software. |
RE: http://modloaded.net/dolphin709/m/pages/home/, have you tried this one yet? I believe this is what you're trying to accomplished. You've added a few enhancements to the group module and renamed it. Since you keep bring this up, I'll comment on your 'Pages' mod. 1. It's way overpriced considering it's derived from the groups module. Yes, you've added a few things, but nothing to justify the price. The Boonex 'Groups' module isn't very usable in it's native state, and your module does nothing to enhance key areas like photo albums, etc. 2. I tested your demo, and under some conditions, major navigation menu issues arose.
I have nothing against your module, and yes it is along the lines of what I want. However, no third party is ever going to come up with an enhancement for your pages mod. it just doesn't work that way around here. If Boonex does it, the door is opened for third party enhancements. Some already exist for the groups module that can be easily ported to a new 'Pages' module. YOUR efforts would be then better spent by adding enhancements to a Boonex version of the pages module,,, such as your wall feature. You'd most likely realize much better sales, by leaving the core features to Boonex, and just offering enhancements. My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees. |
Just want to re-iterate that what HL is describing is indeed important and integral to future development of Dolphin. We call it "Profiles", but only because they can also be used as ID's (or current "Profiles"-presentation of the site "member") and as Pages. So, Profiles that are not ID's can be called Pages. Heart Head Hands |
RE; Just want to re-iterate that what HL is describing is indeed important and integral to future development of Dolphin. We call it "Profiles", but only because they can also be used as ID's (or current "Profiles"-presentation of the site "member") and as Pages. So, Profiles that are not ID's can be called Pages. Is what you speak of, something for D8 that we won't see for a year or more? My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees. |
RE: http://modloaded.net/dolphin709/m/pages/home/, have you tried this one yet? I believe this is what you're trying to accomplished. You've added a few enhancements to the group module and renamed it. Since you keep bring this up, I'll comment on your 'Pages' mod. 1. It's way overpriced considering it's derived from the groups module. Yes, you've added a few things, but nothing to justify the price. The Boonex 'Groups' module isn't very usable in it's native state, and your module does nothing to enhance key areas like photo albums, etc. 2. I tested your demo, and under some conditions, major navigation menu issues arose.
I have nothing against your module, and yes it is along the lines of what I want. However, no third party is ever going to come up with an enhancement for your pages mod. it just doesn't work that way around here. If Boonex does it, the door is opened for third party enhancements. Some already exist for the groups module that can be easily ported to a new 'Pages' module. YOUR efforts would be then better spent by adding enhancements to a Boonex version of the pages module,,, such as your wall feature. You'd most likely realize much better sales, by leaving the core features to Boonex, and just offering enhancements. Thanks for the comment. Actually my Pages module was derived from the Events module and not the Groups module, other than that, don't you know that Groups nor the Events modules are not capable of building fields? The fields that create the form so that each category on what you called the "Groups module", have different input forms? Let's say, that the "Club" pages have the input form, location, time, manager, capacity, etc... while the "Cars" pages have the input form, model, year, engine type, etc... so the same goes to the other categories, "Hotels", "Actors", "Musicians", "Stores", and so on. Now, can the Groups module do that? Unlock Your Future |
JUST A QUICK CHIME IN HERE- As soon as I started reading this thread, Scriptologist's product- Multi-Page Creator came to mind. I can't tell you how many times I've read some comments folks have made....or simply been working with this mod and thought- Are people not fully aware of what can be done with this mod? There are some things I'd like to see added to Multi-Page Creator.... just a couple....BUT if folks think this is another Group clone....You've missed the boat. If I were Mark- I would continue improving and expanding this mod.....and take a look at some new Mods out recently....and consider how Multi-Page Creator and some of these other mods relate or could somehow work together... In my opinion- Multi-Page Creator deserves a helluva lot more credit than perhaps it gets.... Multi-Page Creator is by far a more accurate working example of what people should expect in a module called PAGES. Group Clones don't have an admin panel for me to create new custom fields..... BTW- It also allows members to embed their website inside the pages they create....Pages that can be about anything at all. MARK- Stay on top of this mod.....Look at the some of the other areas of progress as well- Full-Page-Width Columns..... Perhaps put some time and focus on easy to follow documentation....Step-by-step instructions....that go beyond the basics in creating fields....perhaps push the envelope and show how far a person could go creating pages if they put the time and effort into it.........Because as much money as I and many others have spent on mods that aren't much more than Group clones......Oh Dear Lord all would be kicking themselves if the truly knew what they can do for $150 in Multi-Page Creator. Bottom Line- a few tweaks, adding some default fields like YouTube embed? Perhaps Social Sharing options? Optional Design Block Selection??? Set Custom Backgrounds??? BUT MORE-OVER- place major importance on Packaging & Presentation....then-.Multi-Page Creator can easily out-class other mods |
What about AntonLV's profile spliter mod? Couldn't you split so new members can create either a profile OR a page? Just rename one of the profile types as pages... I believe his bigger version of this mod allows searching between both profile types also which would be handy.
This would also get rid of the mysite/page section and just appear as a profile would in URL...
Of course, you're then limited to within normal profile page blocks, but I think you can create custom ones in this mod for different profile types also? I don't have it yet so not sure how functional, but this sounds like a way round the profile v page issue when wanting to clean up the url. |
That's an interesting idea there.....I have that mod.....it can do a lot more than my ignorance allows me to do with it as well....But I know it does change the fields for joining according to the profile type selected....Seems possible. OH....and the other MOD- Profile Composer from AntonLV....Yes- Can Create Custom Blocks...... My apologies folks.....I'm so far behind you all.... BUT, having all these mods, working together on my site....ideas resonate that I'm unable to bring together.
Probably should let this go.....but what the hell.... After going back over the entire post.....YEAH....can't help but feel like credit is due Multi-Page Creator.... So much more was offered-up there....a lot of hard work I'm sure.... And had anyone else her developed that mod......Hmmmm I'd prolly feel a bit pissed and think perhaps my mod is being written-off for what reason?????? It may need some work....But it is more than what is being give credit for I think What about AntonLV's profile spliter mod? Couldn't you split so new members can create either a profile OR a page? Just rename one of the profile types as pages... I believe his bigger version of this mod allows searching between both profile types also which would be handy.
This would also get rid of the mysite/page section and just appear as a profile would in URL...
Of course, you're then limited to within normal profile page blocks, but I think you can create custom ones in this mod for different profile types also? I don't have it yet so not sure how functional, but this sounds like a way round the profile v page issue when wanting to clean up the url.
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From sriptologists pages mod: "Profile Fields cache not loaded. Cannot continue. " This mod clearly has issues. Each time I have tried to use it, some serious issues popped up. Until this mod is ready for prime time, maybe we can all stop blowing our horn about it ...eh? By now, everyone here knows about it, and they are free to go buy it if they are impressed with it. My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees. |
I think the URL issue is key for this, there are a number of mods that will give you a 'site within a network' type of thing, I've played with this on a few networks before... Business listings are a good example... I built a good localised community site, placed business listings central to it (amongst other things) and was then able to sell listing space quite easily to local businesses. Took a lot of figuring out how to arrange things best though for the local feel... Issue I found was, although people did want a 'site within site', or certainly a 'page within site', they also wanted the clean URL... not www.mysite.com/m/listings/mypage or mysite.com/page/mypage to get round this at the time, I would sell the profile as the main page, then make a good link on the profile to the extended business info page. People seemed to be happy to give out mysite.com/mypage as a URL but it was still a 2nd click away to get to the main info for users... and you know that just 1 click too many means business lost in the www...!
Think I will look at the ProfileSplitter mod as a way round this, at least until Boonex figures out PAges as a default mod! Issue I would be asking though, is not just having it included as default, but what would the URL be... if its mysite.com/m/pages/mypage then you may as well just clone groups... If you can figure out a clean URL - thats the key issue for me here. |
for few days all topics in here have lots of lots of text that i can't read more than 4 lines so much to do.... |
I'ts Christmas. No ones at work.... for few days all topics in here have lots of lots of text that i can't read more than 4 lines
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Good point. Looks like everybody ate a lot of sweets or energy drinks, red bull maybe I'ts Christmas. No ones at work.... for few days all topics in here have lots of lots of text that i can't read more than 4 lines
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I ran into multiple issues as well the below just being one... From sriptologists pages mod: "Profile Fields cache not loaded. Cannot continue. " This mod clearly has issues. Each time I have tried to use it, some serious issues popped up. Until this mod is ready for prime time, maybe we can all stop blowing our horn about it ...eh? By now, everyone here knows about it, and they are free to go buy it if they are impressed with it.
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A quick response to the long URL as it is a request all the time to have it be "theirs" is the fact that Google does not crawl your site everyday and night. Until then I suggest you use all the domains you like that fall onto this: www.mysite.com/m/listings/mypage or mysite.com/page/mypage BUT Google does pick up on very long URLS and does track the triggers put into them as if it was just the shorter version... Spend countless hours and years of getting your site noticed and then you won't need me until then Welcome aboard...
I think the URL issue is key for this, there are a number of mods that will give you a 'site within a network' type of thing, I've played with this on a few networks before... Business listings are a good example... I built a good localised community site, placed business listings central to it (amongst other things) and was then able to sell listing space quite easily to local businesses. Took a lot of figuring out how to arrange things best though for the local feel... Issue I found was, although people did want a 'site within site', or certainly a 'page within site', they also wanted the clean URL... not www.mysite.com/m/listings/mypage or mysite.com/page/mypage to get round this at the time, I would sell the profile as the main page, then make a good link on the profile to the extended business info page. People seemed to be happy to give out mysite.com/mypage as a URL but it was still a 2nd click away to get to the main info for users... and you know that just 1 click too many means business lost in the www...!
Think I will look at the ProfileSplitter mod as a way round this, at least until Boonex figures out PAges as a default mod! Issue I would be asking though, is not just having it included as default, but what would the URL be... if its mysite.com/m/pages/mypage then you may as well just clone groups... If you can figure out a clean URL - thats the key issue for me here.
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You're cool with crap you just vomited here? There's something terribly disturbing that stands out here.... In fact- reviewing the entire post I can say with out hesitation- there 's no way in hell I can go along with what you are proposing here..... I'm at a loss.....Trying to figure out how you managed to get Boonex to buy into what is being proposed here.....And I'm trying to convince myself that there's nothing childish about the way you closed your opening comments....and expect Boonex to actually ....ughhhh Naw.......I have a big problem with what's being proposed here...Your asking Boonex to SIMPLY compromise their own integrity here....That's what I see.... " How about you guys at Boonex give us a brand new module? It should be easy for smart guys like yall. Just clone the 'Groups' module, and call it 'Pages'. " NO...... I got a problem with a number of things here....And the disrespect that's been offered up here??? And Further- You don't see anything wrong with the way you've treated Mark here? REALLY? What conclusions are other's to come to? I'm so frustrated here.....the rap you're giving the Pages mod....considering what it brought to the table....and your saying Hey Boonex...Sanction one more Group Clone here....The easy road exploited And what did it do to the REAL PAGES MOD? What happened? when people figured out they were getting slipped a clone for so long, and when the real Pages Mod came out it was mistaken for another Clone!!! But it wasn't...!!! How did it affect sales? It was well worth $150.... It goes deeper.....and I'm not going to have some whiner tell me to be quite about a mod that been run down by someone who hasn't spent any time with is...The false statements made....the poor advice offered...Tryi9ng to say it has no future with 3rd party DEVS??? Where the hell do you come up with that? NAW.....Pages is Pages.....and asking Boonex to create a pages from groups is asking them to slap a dev in the face and go along with the statements that say a mod working excellent on my system with sooo much potential......IS deemED CRAP????
From sriptologists pages mod: "Profile Fields cache not loaded. Cannot continue. " This mod clearly has issues. Each time I have tried to use it, some serious issues popped up. Until this mod is ready for prime time, maybe we can all stop blowing our horn about it ...eh? By now, everyone here knows about it, and they are free to go buy it if they are impressed with it.
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RE: You're cool with crap you just vomited here? There's something terribly disturbing that stands out here.... In fact- reviewing the entire post I can say with out hesitation- there 's no way in hell I can go along with what you are proposing here..... I'm at a loss.....Trying to figure out how you managed to get Boonex to buy into what is being proposed here.....And I'm trying to convince myself that there's nothing childish about the way you closed your opening comments....and expect Boonex to actually ....ughhhh Naw.......I have a big problem with what's being proposed here...Your asking Boonex to SIMPLY compromise their own integrity here....That's what I see.... " How about you guys at Boonex give us a brand new module? It should be easy for smart guys like yall. Just clone the 'Groups' module, and call it 'Pages'. " NO...... I got a problem with a number of things here....And the disrespect that's been offered up here??? And Further- You don't see anything wrong with the way you've treated Mark here? REALLY? What conclusions are other's to come to? I'm so frustrated here.....the rap you're giving the Pages mod....considering what it brought to the table....and your saying Hey Boonex...Sanction one more Group Clone here....The easy road exploited And what did it do to the REAL PAGES MOD? What happened? when people figured out they were getting slipped a clone for so long, and when the real Pages Mod came out it was mistaken for another Clone!!! But it wasn't...!!! How did it affect sales? It was well worth $150.... It goes deeper.....and I'm not going to have some whiner tell me to be quite about a mod that been run down by someone who hasn't spent any time with is...The false statements made....the poor advice offered...Tryi9ng to say it has no future with 3rd party DEVS??? Where the hell do you come up with that? NAW.....Pages is Pages.....and asking Boonex to create a pages from groups is asking them to slap a dev in the face and go along with the statements that say a mod working excellent on my system with sooo much potential......IS deemED CRAP????
From sriptologists pages mod: "Profile Fields cache not loaded. Cannot continue. " This mod clearly has issues. Each time I have tried to use it, some serious issues popped up. Until this mod is ready for prime time, maybe we can all stop blowing our horn about it ...eh? By now, everyone here knows about it, and they are free to go buy it if they are impressed with it.
I really don't have time to read through your psycho babble. If you don't understand the advantages of what I am speaking of, included in the Dolphin core, you should probably just ignore this thread. BTW, this thread was never an invitation to advertise anyone's paid mods, and if you don't understand why a person might be perturbed when someone does so, then your comprehension skills are even weaker than I originally assumed. Several people here 'get it'. Apparently you do not, so stop wasting your time here. My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees. |
UnderDog4All Perhaps you could start a I'm not cool with the crap vomited over there and see how far that goes. The anger fostered by origination and thoughts of a different direction for this sandbox are nothing short of puzzling. Here is a thought you don't like what is posted here move on and start your own thread that is in direct contrast to what seems to be embraced by so many others. Thought you might find this interesting: Pages: There are now more than 3 million active Pages on Facebook, nearly double the 1.6 million it reported in December. While it didn’t previously disclose the same Pages stats, Facebook began doing so that month; compared against the latest update, they show new pattersn. Pages that Facebook defines as local businesses went from 700,000 actives to 1.5 million. In other words, local businesses comprised half of the overall increase in active Pages over the last couple of months. Facebook separately says that the average user becomes a fan of 4 pages every month, double the December average. However, it has not updated the number of fans from December, which as 5.3 billion. Csampson |
You know what....I'm gonna go along with the idea maybe a bit phychobable....I woke-up in a puddle of drool....should have went to bed much earlier on... Lets try this again. Based on what you all were talking about .....When Mark came on the scene presenting a solution to consider- You didn't consider PAGEs....You were quick to assume he was advertising on your thread.....What was he supposed to do? You wrote him off.... Let look at it this way- You bust your ass developing a mod that put into people's hands the ability to create PAGE and go toe to toe with Facebook.... Leading up to this......there's been this new trend of passing-off cloned group/club mods to unsuspecting dolphins....It becomes quite the big business there......BUT pretty soon the secret was out.....and people are thinking- WHAT??? I could have made that and changed a few language keys??? Not to get away from our subject here....SO- A bunch of people spent money on stale code....In fact- I'm still waiting for updates to 7.1 on some of those mods.....DEVs took advantage of a situation made their quick $$$$ on code they needed only know how to packed into a module.....Now we wait to see when they are going to get around to updating it....Seems there's no big hurry.....NICE. SO...Mark comes along with Pages mod.....Not at all a groups/clubs clone tweaked a tiny bit and redistributed. No....We have a new mod here putting power into the hands of the people....And no longer do they have to risk being scammed.....They can make their own PAGES about anything.....So long as they are willing to learn a little bit....They can make PAGES and so can their members....Like on Facebook even....Powerful stuff!! Someone looks at the price $150 and says WOW! That's a lot!!! AND Then another person comes along and says DONT FALL FOR IT!!! It's another Groups Clone!!! OH NO ....REALLY? How can you tell? Back then, I didn't know crap....I didn't know how to tell or who to believe.....In fact- I had this dub notion that surely Devs won't just come out here and screw people in broad day light........Silly me. :P SO people shy away from a mod that gave us the ability to create PAGES.....Equipped to do battle on that front! Anyone else out there giving Dolphins that ability? SO Tell me HL- How would you feel if you had a mod you worked your ass off to bring to the people.....as opposed to riding the gravy train like many other DEVs.....It's called Pages and it creates Pages....and someone came along and said- HEY BOONEX- Lets CLONE GROUPS ONE MORE TIME ~~~~~ A gift for your loyal Dolphins~~~~~ AND LETs CALL IT PAGES!!!!!! You don't see any issue here? Aside from the fact that you're asking Boonex to publicly call a hamster a MAC TRUCK..... The PAGE MOD You are jumping through hoops to condemn......I purchased....I spent a great deal of time with.....and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let you or anyone else use your clout around here to sway others to believe- "CLEARLY" it has issues......when "CLEARLY"- SO DO YOU! I can read a lot of comments out here and see-----These people haven't seen the back-end of PAGES. There are folks weighing in on PAGES that in reality have very little experience with it. But who's the wiser? Some folks can say things here....make crap up....and do some serious damage....and think nothing of it. Mark's PAGE mod gave this community something it doesn't get to see all that often.....a DEV gave Dolphins the a little more "unlocked code"......some freedom to create......It's called PAGES......it's not GROUPS.....and NO-----It's not OK to call GROUPS -------->PAGES...... TELL ME---- If your mod was called PAGES would you be asking Boonex to clone groups and call it PAGES? I really find that hard to believe.....and it looks like you'd rather not acknowledge Scriptologist's Code.... Cuz much of what is being talked about in this thread PAGES steps-up to answer....YET You continue to ignore and ask Boonex to disregard the REAL PAGES Mod.....Pretend it doesn't exist......and CLONE GROUPS.....call it PAGES.... WELL.....I'm done here....I may not know all that you do HL.....I may not know the good your going for here.....But I'm seing something bad in it and if I don't say something, it's gonna bug me for a long time..... Mark is a good guy.....PAGES is a good mod....a GREAT MOD....and HL can trash-talk and say it never worked for him.....YET my server tells another story......YES- We've seen some issues....resolved them....it's the nature of the game. But there's no way anyone will ever get me to write-off PAGES as crap.....and no way anyone will convince me that it's OK for Boonex to Clone Groups......and have people recognize that as PAGES..... GO AHEAD HL- write me off.......But I'm gonna bet some of what I'm saying here is solid. And I'm gonna bet had you been the DEV to write PAGES....This thread wouldn't exist.
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I understand everybody's point here, this topic is a good one since it talks about a great idea. I developed the Pages module that supposed to apply as a solution to the long list of module installed on a dolphin site, however, it won't hurt anybody if Boonex will develop the Pages by themselves in the future, it's a good thing for everyone, including me. I really appreciate UnderDog4All for liking my module and speaking out loud here on this topic. HL is a direct to the point guy, sometimes insulting but I always take it as a humor. Peace :)
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I hear ya man.....I'm not so sure I'm the kind of person to start a thread and do that....I don't know my stuff round here yet...I'm just not that guy.
I am taking personally some things here....and though I so far behind you all here...I'm not an idiot...but obviously I am seeing things from a completely different perspective than you all....
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DUDE- that makes me vomit in my mouth an swallow it again. FB---I hate how I feel about them.
We've had a mod capable of doing PAGES....It's not crap or suck.....there may be issue.....but nothing that gives anyone the right to snub, or diminish Pages.
If this is such an important thing here....What about the option for Boonex to do with the Pages Mod what it did with Anton's Page Access Control? (I was typing when Scriptologist chimed in) So yeah- I could totally respect something like that
UnderDog4All Perhaps you could start a I'm not cool with the crap vomited over there and see how far that goes. The anger fostered by origination and thoughts of a different direction for this sandbox are nothing short of puzzling. Here is a thought you don't like what is posted here move on and start your own thread that is in direct contrast to what seems to be embraced by so many others. Thought you might find this interesting: Pages: There are now more than 3 million active Pages on Facebook, nearly double the 1.6 million it reported in December. While it didn’t previously disclose the same Pages stats, Facebook began doing so that month; compared against the latest update, they show new pattersn. Pages that Facebook defines as local businesses went from 700,000 actives to 1.5 million. In other words, local businesses comprised half of the overall increase in active Pages over the last couple of months. Facebook separately says that the average user becomes a fan of 4 pages every month, double the December average. However, it has not updated the number of fans from December, which as 5.3 billion.
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Yeah of such little imagination is also so quick to assume...I know in my case I have checked on "Mark's" module multiple xs and I have used his modules in the past. Now please you have hijacked this thread and I wish you would stop...His current module is not what "I" am after and that is at this point one that is not ready for prime time or the show let's call it. I wish it was if it was I would use it now please go away... You know what....I'm gonna go along with the idea maybe a bit phychobable....I woke-up in a puddle of drool....should have went to bed much earlier on... Lets try this again. Based on what you all were talking about .....When Mark came on the scene presenting a solution to consider- You didn't consider PAGEs....You were quick to assume he was advertising on your thread.....What was he supposed to do? You wrote him off.... Let look at it this way- You bust your ass developing a mod that put into people's hands the ability to create PAGE and go toe to toe with Facebook.... Leading up to this......there's been this new trend of passing-off cloned group/club mods to unsuspecting dolphins....It becomes quite the big business there......BUT pretty soon the secret was out.....and people are thinking- WHAT??? I could have made that and changed a few language keys??? Not to get away from our subject here....SO- A bunch of people spent money on stale code....In fact- I'm still waiting for updates to 7.1 on some of those mods.....DEVs took advantage of a situation made their quick $$$$ on code they needed only know how to packed into a module.....Now we wait to see when they are going to get around to updating it....Seems there's no big hurry.....NICE. SO...Mark comes along with Pages mod.....Not at all a groups/clubs clone tweaked a tiny bit and redistributed. No....We have a new mod here putting power into the hands of the people....And no longer do they have to risk being scammed.....They can make their own PAGES about anything.....So long as they are willing to learn a little bit....They can make PAGES and so can their members....Like on Facebook even....Powerful stuff!! Someone looks at the price $150 and says WOW! That's a lot!!! AND Then another person comes along and says DONT FALL FOR IT!!! It's another Groups Clone!!! OH NO ....REALLY? How can you tell? Back then, I didn't know crap....I didn't know how to tell or who to believe.....In fact- I had this dub notion that surely Devs won't just come out here and screw people in broad day light........Silly me. :P SO people shy away from a mod that gave us the ability to create PAGES.....Equipped to do battle on that front! Anyone else out there giving Dolphins that ability? SO Tell me HL- How would you feel if you had a mod you worked your ass off to bring to the people.....as opposed to riding the gravy train like many other DEVs.....It's called Pages and it creates Pages....and someone came along and said- HEY BOONEX- Lets CLONE GROUPS ONE MORE TIME ~~~~~ A gift for your loyal Dolphins~~~~~ AND LETs CALL IT PAGES!!!!!! You don't see any issue here? Aside from the fact that you're asking Boonex to publicly call a hamster a MAC TRUCK..... The PAGE MOD You are jumping through hoops to condemn......I purchased....I spent a great deal of time with.....and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let you or anyone else use your clout around here to sway others to believe- "CLEARLY" it has issues......when "CLEARLY"- SO DO YOU! I can read a lot of comments out here and see-----These people haven't seen the back-end of PAGES. There are folks weighing in on PAGES that in reality have very little experience with it. But who's the wiser? Some folks can say things here....make crap up....and do some serious damage....and think nothing of it. Mark's PAGE mod gave this community something it doesn't get to see all that often.....a DEV gave Dolphins the a little more "unlocked code"......some freedom to create......It's called PAGES......it's not GROUPS.....and NO-----It's not OK to call GROUPS -------->PAGES...... TELL ME---- If your mod was called PAGES would you be asking Boonex to clone groups and call it PAGES? I really find that hard to believe.....and it looks like you'd rather not acknowledge Scriptologist's Code.... Cuz much of what is being talked about in this thread PAGES steps-up to answer....YET You continue to ignore and ask Boonex to disregard the REAL PAGES Mod.....Pretend it doesn't exist......and CLONE GROUPS.....call it PAGES.... WELL.....I'm done here....I may not know all that you do HL.....I may not know the good your going for here.....But I'm seing something bad in it and if I don't say something, it's gonna bug me for a long time..... Mark is a good guy.....PAGES is a good mod....a GREAT MOD....and HL can trash-talk and say it never worked for him.....YET my server tells another story......YES- We've seen some issues....resolved them....it's the nature of the game. But there's no way anyone will ever get me to write-off PAGES as crap.....and no way anyone will convince me that it's OK for Boonex to Clone Groups......and have people recognize that as PAGES..... GO AHEAD HL- write me off.......But I'm gonna bet some of what I'm saying here is solid. And I'm gonna bet had you been the DEV to write PAGES....This thread wouldn't exist.
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RE: I understand everybody's point here, this topic is a good one since it talks about a great idea. I developed the Pages module that supposed to apply as a solution to the long list of module installed on a dolphin site, however, it won't hurt anybody if Boonex will develop the Pages by themselves in the future, it's a good thing for everyone, including me. I really appreciate UnderDog4All for liking my module and speaking out loud here on this topic. HL is a direct to the point guy, sometimes insulting but I always take it as a humor. Peace :)
Just so everyone is aware, I think you are a damn fine coder. I use one of your mods. I have defended you when others bashed you in the forums for no good reason. I am not bashing you personally in this topic. I will say outright, that I am not impressed with your pages mod at all. I will elaborate on that by saying that it's NOT your fault that I'm not impressed. The reason I'm not impressed is because your pages mods draws on Boonex features that fall miserably short in functionality, namely: A simplistic photos feature that is practically useless. That's why I cited a third party photo album mod. ^^^ Ditto for sounds and videos ^^^^^
The features you added are just fine, however in my opinion the boonex part devalues the entire mod, and that's why I believe it is over priced. If I were to use your pages mod, the first thing I'd want to add, is an enhanced photo albums feature, and a few other things. My Key Point in all of this, is that no other vendor is going to crank out enhancements for YOUR pages mod for reasons that should be obvious... to most people here anyway If Boonex does it, third parties, including yourself would be more likely to offer enhancements. It would have the opportunity to evolve into a much more robust module. I'd probably pay $150 for your wall enhancement if it were applied to a Boonex base module. Money is not the primary issue for me. For me, a pathway to improvement is paramount, and I don't want to be in a position where I have to rely on a single person for any and all improvements to a 'pages' module. My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees. |
????? Seriously ????? X~) I'm pretty sure you got me wrong somewhere along the way here. It's bad enough having to disagree with HL for reasons you're not understanding apparently....and knowing you're gonna get your ass handed to ya no matter what. Believe it or not I respect the guy and that last post he made painted a completely different picture- much of which I fall inline with and filled in some blanks for me. But what you offered here...I'm gonna walk away with the dirt I have on me, knowing you just took a lot of it on yourself- Thanks X~) Yeah of such little imagination is also so quick to assume...I know in my case I have checked on "Mark's" module multiple xs and I have used his modules in the past. Now please you have hijacked this thread and I wish you would stop...His current module is not what "I" am after and that is at this point one that is not ready for prime time or the show let's call it. I wish it was if it was I would use it now please go away... You know what....I'm gonna go along with the idea maybe a bit phychobable....I woke-up in a puddle of drool....should have went to bed much earlier on... Lets try this again. Based on what you all were talking about .....When Mark came on the scene presenting a solution to consider- You didn't consider PAGEs....You were quick to assume he was advertising on your thread.....What was he supposed to do? You wrote him off.... Let look at it this way- You bust your ass developing a mod that put into people's hands the ability to create PAGE and go toe to toe with Facebook.... Leading up to this......there's been this new trend of passing-off cloned group/club mods to unsuspecting dolphins....It becomes quite the big business there......BUT pretty soon the secret was out.....and people are thinking- WHAT??? I could have made that and changed a few language keys??? Not to get away from our subject here....SO- A bunch of people spent money on stale code....In fact- I'm still waiting for updates to 7.1 on some of those mods.....DEVs took advantage of a situation made their quick $$$$ on code they needed only know how to packed into a module.....Now we wait to see when they are going to get around to updating it....Seems there's no big hurry.....NICE. SO...Mark comes along with Pages mod.....Not at all a groups/clubs clone tweaked a tiny bit and redistributed. No....We have a new mod here putting power into the hands of the people....And no longer do they have to risk being scammed.....They can make their own PAGES about anything.....So long as they are willing to learn a little bit....They can make PAGES and so can their members....Like on Facebook even....Powerful stuff!! Someone looks at the price $150 and says WOW! That's a lot!!! AND Then another person comes along and says DONT FALL FOR IT!!! It's another Groups Clone!!! OH NO ....REALLY? How can you tell? Back then, I didn't know crap....I didn't know how to tell or who to believe.....In fact- I had this dub notion that surely Devs won't just come out here and screw people in broad day light........Silly me. :P SO people shy away from a mod that gave us the ability to create PAGES.....Equipped to do battle on that front! Anyone else out there giving Dolphins that ability? SO Tell me HL- How would you feel if you had a mod you worked your ass off to bring to the people.....as opposed to riding the gravy train like many other DEVs.....It's called Pages and it creates Pages....and someone came along and said- HEY BOONEX- Lets CLONE GROUPS ONE MORE TIME ~~~~~ A gift for your loyal Dolphins~~~~~ AND LETs CALL IT PAGES!!!!!! You don't see any issue here? Aside from the fact that you're asking Boonex to publicly call a hamster a MAC TRUCK..... The PAGE MOD You are jumping through hoops to condemn......I purchased....I spent a great deal of time with.....and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let you or anyone else use your clout around here to sway others to believe- "CLEARLY" it has issues......when "CLEARLY"- SO DO YOU! I can read a lot of comments out here and see-----These people haven't seen the back-end of PAGES. There are folks weighing in on PAGES that in reality have very little experience with it. But who's the wiser? Some folks can say things here....make crap up....and do some serious damage....and think nothing of it. Mark's PAGE mod gave this community something it doesn't get to see all that often.....a DEV gave Dolphins the a little more "unlocked code"......some freedom to create......It's called PAGES......it's not GROUPS.....and NO-----It's not OK to call GROUPS -------->PAGES...... TELL ME---- If your mod was called PAGES would you be asking Boonex to clone groups and call it PAGES? I really find that hard to believe.....and it looks like you'd rather not acknowledge Scriptologist's Code.... Cuz much of what is being talked about in this thread PAGES steps-up to answer....YET You continue to ignore and ask Boonex to disregard the REAL PAGES Mod.....Pretend it doesn't exist......and CLONE GROUPS.....call it PAGES.... WELL.....I'm done here....I may not know all that you do HL.....I may not know the good your going for here.....But I'm seing something bad in it and if I don't say something, it's gonna bug me for a long time..... Mark is a good guy.....PAGES is a good mod....a GREAT MOD....and HL can trash-talk and say it never worked for him.....YET my server tells another story......YES- We've seen some issues....resolved them....it's the nature of the game. But there's no way anyone will ever get me to write-off PAGES as crap.....and no way anyone will convince me that it's OK for Boonex to Clone Groups......and have people recognize that as PAGES..... GO AHEAD HL- write me off.......But I'm gonna bet some of what I'm saying here is solid. And I'm gonna bet had you been the DEV to write PAGES....This thread wouldn't exist.
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In this topic we have one important point raised and discussed. Basically, we agreed that PAGES system is needed, and that it should be an integral part of the script. There're mods that can provide some of the functionality and may work for some, but they do not remove the need for build-in "PAGES" functionality. I have noted that we do work on PAGES/PROFILES, and yes, it's in Dolphin 8, but this doesn't mean that one has to wait until D8 to have them. This only means that we acknowledge the need and research possible implementations. D7.1 has received a lot of D8 ideas and same may happen again. Primary function of D8 at this stage is to be a "research lab", so consider PAGES as being worked on in a research lab. Specific functionality aspects of "PAGES" are subject of different opinions and interpretations, but at this stage we just want to make sure we build a very flexible core base for them, in order to avoid any limitation during development of specific features. We do want Dolphin to be able to offer members the ability to create various types of "sub-sites" with rich, configurable functionality, permissions and moderation tools. Now, I am locking this topic to make sure it doesn't get overfilled with any emotional "noise". We will be getting back to it for reference and ideas when working on "PAGES". Thank you! Heart Head Hands |
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