A question for Boonex team

Should we go to install the current version for a non-testing purpose? I mean if we install now Dolphin will there be upgrade patches for all the future versions? I want to start working on my website.. I waited a lot for v7..

What should we do?

Same question!

We plan a new site for our Community and we want to use Dolphin.

But we can´t wait forr V7 so we need an Updatescript too.

Rappi

Mastermindsro - this has been asked several times and I don't think there is a definitive answer.  Many of us would like to get started.   They are saying "don't use it for a live site" but I don't see why you can't start building a new site with it.  Do a full structure backup, and also a backup of key tables.  That way, even if you have to reinstall of a newer version, you will be able to quickly get back to where you left off.

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Rappi, I don't think there is going to be an update script from D6.1 to D7 - someone found a statement from Andrew saying they are too different to be able to do that.

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Rob

Forget it

Yes, forget it.   I never said I planned to have a live site with the beta.   Andrew WAS definitive in saying there would be no upgrade script for D6 versions to D7, but he also said that after the beta was released "we will not make any serious structural changes".   I can't imaging them running around making changes to database field names so people who want to get a jump on things can certainly start defining their profile fields, menus, etc, and not lose that information.  Though I may not be one of them, I'm even guessing a few smart people here will figure out a way to upgrade from the current beta to the next beta.

This for some reason the subject title was changed, but I this it is the blog that Andrew commented on Beta & D6 to D7 upgrade.

Comments Here

OK Rob.  Go ahead and launch a site with the very first Beta.  I'm sure evrything will be just fine.

This is one of those questions that has been asked a few times. One thing that needs to be clear, if a developer says not to use a release for a live site, then you do so against their recommendation, all that presents itself from that point will be on the holder of that site.

One thing i want to point out, and this is from Andrew:

And, as for Beta - there won't be any upgrade/update tools on Beta stage.

"upgrade script" from D6 to D7 is nearly impossible and won't happen. We will provide "data migration" tools to make sure you can convert most of your site content/profiles. Upgrading manually, with DIFFs is also way to difficult to even imagine. D7 has different modules structure, different folders structure, different DB structure, etc, etc, etc.

From D7 and up it should be way better than it used to be with 5.x and 6.x. due to modules separation.

And, as for Beta - there won't be any upgrade/update tools on Beta stage.

members of unity, please heed this clear and definitive post from Andrew Boon, the owner and developer of this great application. The Beta release is not production ready. in the event if you decide you want to gamble, and give it a shot, that is exactly what you are doing is gambling. Beta is for testing, not for production.

Regards,

DosDawg

have patience and understand that these guys are working on this daily. i commend them for not releasing something that has so many bugs in it that you cant TRAC them all. Good job Boonex Team.

Regards,

DosDawg

Well another way to look at it is that if there was an upgrade path through the different beta versions, you would certainly have more motivated testers.   Houston keeps harping that he is the only official "pundit" who is making bug reports in TRAC.   It seems to me, that would be a rather thankless task if you lose all your work once a week or so, and have to reinstall the software for Boonex and start all over again.  On the other hand, if you were setting up your site - the profile fields, menus, layouts, language keys, etc - and then you could upgrade to the next version of the beta, then much more thorough testing would occur.  For a product of this magnitude and complexity I would think they would want as many good testers as they could possibly get - right now, they have just a few.  If Boonex issues a new beta version this Friday, will everyone who is testing it delete all their work so far, reinstall it, and start testing again?  That is going to get old pretty quick.

hey cal,

on that inquiry of if there is a new beta released will everybody who is testing delete what they are working on now? hmmm. i might take that approach, but at the same time, i would most likely create a subdirectory, install the new release and then do a diff on the files diff the sql tables to basically determine what the actual changes are and go from there.

i can understand your position on this awaiting the release of D7, but i wouldnt put a lot of reliance on being given an exact date of release of an RC. i could be wrong, i have no inside information, just my observation here.

Regards,

DosDawg

Gee Rob.... now you're bitching about me 'Harping' about trying to encourage the new pundits to do the job that they were supposed to do???  GMAFB

FYI,  I am only entering reports for things that I am certain will not change.  I am not to avid about entering bugs that have any thing to do with media albums.  That is a core are of D7, that I know is going to undergo significant change by the time Dolphin 7 gets to RC1.  Give me a little credit..... I'm smart enough to know not to waste time on something that is in a state of flux.

Dawg, I for one, can say that when the next beta comes out, I'm nuking the current installation and installing from scratch.  It only takes 5 - 10 minutes to install, so it's no big deal.

Caltrade your remark "Houston keeps harping that he is the only official "pundit" who is making bug reports in TRAC." is totally wrong. If more pundits would do what they agreed to maybe we can get this software up and running faster. I for one only saw 2 posts related to this and he has a VERY valid point. I would like to get this software out so i can see if my site will live or die from such a long long wait. I applaud Houstonlively for his dedication to this software.

Now you can spit those vial words at me like you do to many on here with your forked tounge, but you can not hurt my soul.

I'm sorry you consider those words "vile" - I have never heard the word "harping" described that way, and I have heard much worse from you.  I thought it was a good thing that he was trying to get more pundits to pust bug reports.  My request to have this capability was never answered by Boonex.  Why don't you write them and ask if you can become a pundit if you are concerned.

I see some bad attitude latelly (I have a deja vu feeling).. I do.. I made.. I can.. You don't, you can't..

I already said I want boonex answer.. I don't care about houston's arogant attitude after he posted in trac.. I posted many suggestions and bug reports in forums, and answered to a lot of questions in answers and so on.. but I never had this kind of atitude that I see now on some members.. come on guys you did nothing to be considered a hero so wake up.. just test and report, nobody is gonna build you a statue for this.. not me..

P.S. Get on topic people..

All I can say is that I am going to continue harping.  There is a procedure that must be followed for bugs to get fixed.  As far as the coder's know, if a bug isn't in trac, it doesn't exist.  Mr. Boonex made a call to pundits and moderators to canvas the forums and report bugs to trac.   That's what I did.  I also wondered why there wasn't more people doing the same thing.  It's a simple process   "Bug ----> Trac ------- Fix"      There is no "Bug ----> Fix"  Plain and simple, if it don't get reported to trac, it ain't gonna get fixed.  

So I made a few posts wondering why more pundits, the ones who have permission to edit the trac, weren't doing it.  I thought it was a valid question.  If you all want Dolphin 7 to be released while you're still young enough to remember why you wanted it in the first place, you would support my arrogant attitude, or work on getting your own arrogant attitude.

And by the way mastermind, if you think I have an arrogant attitude now..... you ain't seen nuthin yet.  Get used to it.  My attitude isn't going away any time soon.  May I point out that you too, have permission to edit trac and enter tickets, so rather than post them in forums, why not post them directly to trac and streamline things a bit.  Beta2 is coming out today, and I guarantee you, that it's going to be nowhere close to a stable version, or even that all the features are properly implemented.  Boonex needed to put a lot of work into the album feature, and I'm curious if that will be done in beta 2. 

Thank you killerhaai for understanding what needs to be done.  Your work in reporting bugs to trac has not gone unnoticed.  Thank you theguypc for identifying a number of bugs and reporting them in a clear concise manner... well done.