English is my second language and the last thing I could ever picture myself doing was arguing English linguistics in public. And here I am, doing exactly that - doubting the way "LIKE" word is used by you know who.
So, is it me, or is "Like" actually used inappropriately as a noun as an expression of agreement/accent? We fell for it and also use "XX likes" here on BoonEx, but from what I read, when you use "like" as a noun, it is:
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"used with reference to a person or thing of the same kind as another"
• ( the like) a thing or things of the same kind (often used to express surprise or for emphasis)
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- So, saying that "the article has 25 likes" would mean "25 other articles are similar to this", no?
- Also, when you click "like" and later "unlike". Unlike is also a real word, but never a verb. Only preposition or adjective, meaning "different", etc.
- Next, when used as part of social networking site "like" button often serves (and on Facebook too) as a method of subscribing or as a bookmark or as a sharing tool. In many cases people don't really like what they "like".
- It gets ugly when you see translated versions - Russian in particular. Hard to explain, but trust me - it's pathetic.
As saying goes "Internet has only two currencies that attract people - real money and self expression", so I can understand rationale behind choosing "Like" as a method of wooing quick/casual substitute for a comment and later doing it's job as social aggregator (often without people realising they've subscribed to something). People click "Like" because they actually like what they see, and let the rest slide. It may work wonders for a site with specific goals, but it may not be a good approach for us - software developers. We need a term that works universally and makes sense.
Google is trying to make +1 work, which sounds good, but regrettably lacks any emotional ties. You have to know what this +1 is doing to even care. Made up terms like "digg" or "tweet" might work, but they are all extentions of their brands and are not an option for us. "Follow" and "Subscribe" sound right, but this kind of button often doesn't subscribe you to anything, and most importantly isn't nearly as gratifying for recipient as "Like" is.
So, after deep and extensive research we came up with our own idea that we plan to use both here on BoonEx and in Dolphin 8...
Looking at the meanings OK should serve you well (Unless you're from Oklahoma, in which case you could use "okay"):
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OK 1 (also okay |ˈōˈkā|) informal
exclamation
used to express assent, agreement, or acceptance : OK, I'll pass on your message | OK, OK, I give in.
• used to introduce an utterance : “OK, let's go.”
adjective [ predic. ]
satisfactory but not exceptionally or especially good : the flight was OK.
• (of a person) in a satisfactory physical or mental state : are you OK, Ben?
• permissible; allowable : I'm not sure if it's OK to say that to a teacher.
adverb
in a satisfactory manner or to a satisfactory extent : the computer continues to work OK.
noun [in sing. ]
an authorization or approval : do you know how long it takes for those pen-pushers to give us the OK ?
verb ( OK's, OK'd, OK'ing) [ trans. ]
sanction or give approval to : the governor recently OK'd the execution of a man who had committed murder.
ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: probably an abbreviation of orl korrect, humorous form of all correct, popularized as a slogan during President Van Buren's reelection campaign of 1840; his nickname Old Kinderhook (derived from his birthplace) provided the initials.
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We added "+" to be able to do "-OK" and to avoid confusion with form submits.
All in all, +OK seems to be just right:
- It does express approval/assent.
- It may be used even if you don't really "Like" what you're OK'ing.
- Gramaticaly correct forms are used according to their actual meaning.
- There's practically no need to translate. This is possibly the only word in the world people all nations know well, even when very young.
- It serves fine as method of following/subscribing.
It looks just right to me. What do you think? Is it a go, or is my second language failing me?
After some discussion in comments we think that PLUS and MINUS may work better.
Something like +Ok, i don't think some people will grasp that too quickly.
If you used something like "Agreed" "Agree" or something in that nature it lets publishers know that it's something that makes sense even though they may not like it, they still do agree to that content.
Or maybe "I Approve" see more
If you want to link emotion with a button just have a "Love" button. It could be used to express the love of a concept or an idea, to ecpress love of an Item such as a car or a video, or to express love of a person or place. Hey... stick see more
Many don't realize it, but when you click Like on Facebook or outside you start following updates of the content you "liked". That's what it does technically and Like word is there to trick you into subscribing.
Same with "unlike" see more
I would agree with "Like" for the most part, but one of the biggest issues is that it is also used instead of "Subscribe" and sometimes you need to subscribe to something you don't like but want to keep track of.
For example, if you want to follow updates from a "Page" on Facebook, you need to "Like" it. Thus, when I want to, say, get updates on whatever Australian Meat Exporters group says and I have to "Like" see more
as you say, you dont like meat exporters, but you would like to watch or follow certain threads or aspects of what is going on, for whatever purposes you need.
though if there was an article written where the banning of see more
Another example - today's BUG hunt. One has to 'Like' a bug to push it up, but funnily they have to do it with the bugs they dislike most :D .
why not consider dumping what has been, and just create your own acronym or pseudonym.
drop off of what has already been established, and come up with uniqueness.....
i had just submitted this, but thought of something, as i was about to close the browser.
a sliding scale which could at one end, see more
As for own acronym - I wish we could :( We're under the curse of software development as opposed to site development. We have to make it clear, translatable, unbranded.
" - " = "Don't like"
" : " = "Follow"
A "Neutral" button is completely superfluous. Why? Because you don't like, dislike, or follow on something you feel neutral about. Indifference ("neutral") requires no action, therefore should require no button.
Why should " : " be used as a symbol for "Follow"?
Symbolically the " : " is two points (dots). One above (or see more
you have a good point, where is the universal expression that would not be impeding on others brands, or piggy backing on what has already been established.
how bout a garbage can for 'not liking' something, anything, you can put anything in the garbage, see more
But, just wait a minute. I am little perplexed. you wrote about +OK how about the cancellation of the +OKing?
For example
We have this now ( like" and "unlike".) right?
We should expect this (+OK" and "un+OK".)?
Funnily, un+OK is not clicking good for me.. Some people may consider ' un+Ok' to be a typo. because of the plus in the middle..
Just my views.
"Feel" when it comes to Comments, Blogs, Notes, Status Updates, etc. - provides an emotional response "I feel the same way about his comment, blog, note, status" +5 Feel this comment
"Track" when it comes to Groups, Events, Images, etc.- non emotional response to a group or event such as Andrew Boon is Tracking Austrailian Meet Exporters. Or Andrew Boon Tracks Autrailian Meet Exporters 2011 Expo.
I like the idea of a slider mentioned by DosDawg.
Slider Value:
0: -Ok (Not yet subscribed nor liked)
1: Subscribed (Subscribed to content)
2: Like (Likes content)
3: +Ok (Like and subscribe to content)
3 screenshots here http://ge.tt/904MOQ5?c
-Ok is good cause you're stating that you don't like see more
This +Ok formula is only ever going to be understood by people familiar with the Boonex Dolphin platform. The members of these sites are just going to be even more confused than they already are on a website that is riddled with poor explanations, grammar and usability/functionality.
Personally, I agree with DosDawg, you can't go wrong with a thumbs up / thumbs down - It's a universal symbol and everyone gets it.
Don't make Dolphin over complicated, see more
Fluently in ASL (American Sign Language), Auslan (Australian Sign Language) and IS (International Sign).
No love for gesture? Did you know that ankle-biters under one-year old knows more vocabulary in sign language than those two-years old who speaks?
Thumb Up/Thumb Down - simple and unbiased.
Just these two thumb gestures form in many definitions. Displaying thumb icons speaks for itself and is more practically no need to translate. Use these as counter whilst see more
First of all, it is not about what the producers (programmers) want, it is about what the consumers (visitors) want. Thus you have to find the "thing" that works best for the consumer, not for the programmer. If you're smart you make the field "translatable", as in you can adapt its appearance by changing a setting in the admin panel (studio). Don't only limit it to words but also images, see more
Thumbs up / Thumbs down - sounds good and easy to use, but mostly as a sign (icon in our case). Also a problem for Middle-East and partly Africa, as mentioned earlier.
How about "PLUS" and "MINUS" then? These guys come from latin and their respective characters are quite recognisable.
Bless +1
Curse -1
icons?
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Don't over think it. It's obvious we don't. It's pretty simple. If I click the 'Like" button, I am saying "I like this" used in that context it's perfectly acceptable.
If you really want to have some fun, just change the word to "Lick"
Also it is worth discussing if there should be a negative version available (facebook don't have a dislike button for a reason), from a physiological point of view do you want people to see that if they post something see more
Thanks!