Boonex added subscriptions for licenses and license+hosting plans a few months ago. Already subscriptions make up more than half of our business and growing. Our own impression so far is quite simple - subscriptions are better for us and for clients. First, initial spent is never too high, and people that are "just trying" can either just for a free trial or invest a relatively small amount of money. Second, all the hosting and installation woes are over - we take care of it. Third, no version update dramas - we take care of it. And we have ongoing motivation to provide excellent service, because if if don't - we don't get paid.
Now, let's look at Boonex Market. It has hundreds of good extensions for DolphinPro. Dozens of qualified, talented, reputable vendors. Clients are interested and willing to pay for good extensions - they often save thousands of dollars by not engaging into custom development. And still, we have a bunch of problems...
First, poor support. Some vendors are trying to provide adequate support, while some just don't. Even the "good" vendors often delay their response. Clients have to do a fair bit of research before they can confidently buy an extension.
Second, high prices. Good modules and templates often sit in $50-$100 price range or even more. It is a lot, especially for new sites that don't make any money yet. Understandably, some vendors are factoring in potential support overhead, but they have to "carpet-bomb" everyone - some clients never ask for any support, while others take up weeks and weeks. Still, everyone has to pay the same price. Even if you never use the extension you bought.
Third, lagging updates. We update DolphinPro periodically and vendors are supposed to check their products, adjust them if needed, and update to keep them compatible with the latest Dolphin. Some vendors do it, but typical trend is that products that don't sell well anymore aren't getting updated. This leaves the old buyers with nothing but frustration. And vendors don't have the incentive to do update, because they have their own bills to pay and need to concentrate on what's lucrative.
It looks like subscriptions for Market products could potentially fix all those problems. For example, let's take an extension priced at, say, $3/month instead of $50 one-off. Client would be able to try it spending just the first $3. If it's good - they keep paying. If they don't need it anymore - they cancel it.
In this case vendor would be motivated to retain the client, which can only be done if good support is provided and value is continuously added in a form of compatibility updates, feature improvements, fixes, optimisation, etc.
By the end of average subscription period of 2 years (typical for this sort of products), the client would have paid $72, instead of $50. It's appreciably more, but it was spread over the long period, making it easier to handle. Plus, in these two years they received a much better product with fewer ongoing issues - all thanks to better support.
Vendors would have to work harder and longer to even make those first $50, but on the other hand their revenue would become a lot more stable, predictable and continuously growing. And they would only need to support those who keeps paying. Strong vendor-client relationship would result in additional sales, trust and longer-term commitments.
And most importantly - this would encourage an overall shift from quantity to quality. Vendors would need to focus on fewer products, improving them consistently. Even one active subscriber would mean that there is potential for more - hence the products need to be improved, not discontinued. Vendors would have to update extensions in advance - before DolphinPro releases, so as to avoid sales halts and backlash from subscribers.
It's a whole new game, in a higher league.
We plan to tie this to our own subscriptions. Every extension would be processed as a subscription-addon, billed monthly. We would deduct a commission and pay the rest to vendors. This would also allow us to remove a lot of friction-points in Market experience where payments have to go directly to vendors, complicating checkout process.
There are quite a few little details and nuances that we have to figure out, so don't expect this shift to happen tomorrow. We will first experiment with Trident, which is something we already started working on. We will also definitely keep the option to sell directly for one-time payment. Extensions would also need to undergo a review before being offered as part of subscription plans. So, I think we need about 3-4 months after DolphinPro 7.3 release.
That's that. What do you think? Let's talk this through!
This is nothing more than you trying to milk customers for more and more and more money & it's getting REALLY old. It was bad enough when you "redid" the licenses and effectively removed our license from future perks/benefits we were promised, now see more
You want to clean up the market? BAN the scammers. BAN the spammers. BAN the hosting companies that clutter everything up with useless ads. In short, moderate your network & you see more
As for the money aspect - I don't really see what is with the "passing the buck" issue? We provide product and service in exchange for money. In order for see more
As far as passing the buck, your attitude talking to me right now is a great example. I'm a paying customer. I very likely would have see more
And yeah, you hit the nail on the head with that one. The pricing is exactly what I'm seeing become a huge issue. Say each of them decide they want $5/mo. They decide that's "reasonable". I go and add 15 of 'em. My operating costs just spiked from $50/mo for the server, see more
Take a look around, how many of these 'reviewers' actually show how good the mods are working on their sites?
Subscriptions is going to be one of the options, and there will be people - both clients and vendors - who would benefit from such options. I see it as a positive development and not at all as another way to "milk" community. I see forums posts where clients see more
Please understand that my frustration with you & Boonex as a whole is entirely born out of 10 years of loving this product, despite it's numerous flaws. see more
I doubt if the vendors are going to like this. Most vendors want the payments to be handled by them; now Booenx is going to be the man-the-middle? Some vendors have already moved their products outside of the Market and more may follow.
"The average rate of cart abandonment in 2015 is 68%." - this can be halved if billing is done through one-click order billed to preset card. It's even more pronounced in Boonex Market, because every vendor has their own separate checkout, so shopping cart has be checked-out in stages. Theoretically, we should be able to DOUBLE see more
Also give our support a second chance. In last 4-5 months we have been attending to every single support request with an average response time of 6 hours. All through email and online chat.
And as for DolphinPro and Trident - we have announced before and re-confirmed see more
One has, another hasn't.
Some module version numbers change, others don't.
Updated dates on the modules may be altered without any clue as to whether certain files need to be uploaded again, or not.
If anyone is considering purchasing Dolphin, I would have to advise them to think very carefully about whether the out of the box package does everything they want.
Using see more
It really isn't a case of "if it's not broken, don't fix it". Better (or worse) half of negative feedback that we get stems from poor market experience. It does need fixing.
Most software packages and plugins today come with a monthly payment and they are very popular amongst startups.
My opinion of the market ?
Too many useless mods, some of them even based on 1 mod and just copied with some changes in it and then given another name.
I love the idea of trying out before buying, it will improve vendors support.
I would rather spend 50 $ for trying out 10 mods than spending that money to buy 1 mod which I'm not sure of it will work as it's expected see more
If not, then whats to stop me subscribing to a $100 mod for say $3 to 'test' it, then cancelling my subscription, keeping the mod. Then when I need to upgrade to latest version, I just pay another months $3 to renew my subscription, re-download...
I am not an IT guy, but I work in a software company and let me tell you, the monthly service contract and fee we get with the customers, are rather to keep them into the loop and make them more and more dependant from us.
What about the license you purchase ? what about the support to be given to the guys who will see more
Today we purchase licenses for modules and these allow us to get the upgrade versions whenever occurring.......not sure in the future should we opt for the one off payment........
I have a client that would disagree LOL.
"median first response time of 163 minutes." - this is for 90 days average.
We process all messages linearly - first enquiries are answered in same queue with repeats. So, the average response time in general is the same, and slowly improving.
The best way to get support is to email to team@boonex.com.
As a customer, I still prefer one-off payments (but warming to subscription slowly).
That said, I've noticed a significant improvement in product development, interactivity & customer support since Boonex went subscription. It's as if new life has been breathed into the company.
I am much more comfortable NOW with Dolphin going forward than I was two years ago see more
Buth well is everyones decision i like see more
However, with that said, if I get BETTER communication with the programming vendor it may be worth it, especially with mod problems.
I paid over $200 in mods that I couldn't get to work the way I wanted them to, so a reduced monthly rate would have saved me money there. I am new too, as I just picked Boonex up in see more
Are you thinking of a standard monthly fee of say 5% of the one-off fee for the monthly subscription? And how much would BoonEx deduct from subscription payments to vendors to process them?
One plus for module buyers could be they can see more
So, most likely every subscription see more
As for rent-to-own, i think this may or may not be a good option for different cases. Some products would have to be paid for continuously (we expect even things like "maintenance service" or "media server hosting" to be offered), while some may well become "owned" after see more
I just don't see more
My gut feeling is that we'll see only a small number of subscription modules initially, only from long-term committed vendors. After a few months see more
Also I used to hate cloud storage... preferring see more
I went to upgrade Illustrator a couple of years ago because someone sent me a newer file. I was prepared to buy the full version. When I found I couldn't, I asked the person to resave the file as an older version. I will do my damnedest to never buy an Adobe see more
If you keep the one-off buyout along with the see more
As for that $30 mod... In 10 years - did you have any associated expenses apart from the initial $30? Or was it always upgraded in time, supported and services by vendor in time without you having to spend time on it? Very few do, because it doesn't work out for vendors - they can't finance support overhead from new sale forever. It's not sustainable.
There is a certain beauty in subscriptions that has to do with the way people treat money... When people get a large amount on short period, they generally don't save it. Instead they spend all the excess for more stuff. They also get used to spending more and if the next month comes with less revenue - they get depressed. It's a matter of perspective. If, however, they keep getting smaller, but steadily growing revenue every month see more
For example, you know that your "Points with Levels" or "Classified Ads" modules generally need more support and potentially custom setups. You could be selling them for, say $3/month with 1-hour support SLA, or see more
1) Only products compatible with latest version should show up in search results.
2) You need to display on every product the last time the product vendor was online.
3) Maybe a built-in ticketing system that publicly displays number of answered tickets, unanswered tickets etc.
4) Ability for vendors to display when they are on vacation.
5) Ability see more
I won't name the couple who I feel have let the community that supported them down.
We began to sell in this market when the Dolphin was the most famous and popular social networking CMS and when price for the license was $ 99.00.
Our sales went very well and every day we had 5/6 new customers.
The current cost for a permanent license of Dolphin is $ 599.00.
Meanwhile they have spread very valid alternatives to Dolphin (Pligg, Elgg, Oxwall are free and for SocialEngine the price is $ 299.00).
This is why, in our opinion, Dolphin see more
A very relevant market is wordpress where there is not a "subscription system", just the "one-time payments".
This does not deter customers to use wordpress in fact is definitely the world's most popular CMS see more
1. Depending on price and volume subscriptions may be more lucrative in long terms. One-off payments are good for immediate cash-flow. Vendors would be wise to offer both.
2. We're working on solution for that.
An advantage of Boonex developing a *good* reliant system for tracking subscription modules should be the ability to limit a customer's module usage to only one domain name (chosen by whoever is paying). Of course different modules could be used on different see more
First, you won't need to adapt or change your strategy. You can continue as you do. You can, however, TRY to offer a couple of extensions as subscription service. Just try and see if you gather some subscribers and what sort of return it would bring for you.
And see... if we had subscriptions, say 5 years ago and you started gaining just 1 new customer a day, you'd have about 1500 clients now, paying a guaranteed 4-5K every month.
Anyway, it is important to understand see more
If I can test a 3rd party module first for a smaller fee, I would definitely do it and then purchase it for the main site if I am happy.
Slightly off topic....mobile is my biggest interest these days. If Dolphin enhances the mobile app, I will be using Dolphin for many more projects.
Personally I think it would be better to discuss first with sellers who have invested so much of this market on the basis of initial conditions completely different.
No one is stopping Boonex deciding unilaterally, but as seller, I would expect to be consulted and informed before participating in this joint discussion between the owner of the platform, customers and vendors .
This is not the way I would like to go. I can see if you go down this route where mod providers get paid $3 for the initial month so users can crack the mod and not needing to pay anything else. At lease now once you have paid for the mod, the developer's got your see more
Why during the last years BoonEx Dolphin license has increased so much?
Why Boonex asks sellers a commission on sales?
Also...on the market, what about the visibility of modules available only with the one-time fee method only.
Is there a priority assigned to module with subscription?
- We don't ask for commissions on one-off-payment sales, or any sales where the payment goes directly to Vendors. We HAVE to ask for commissions on Subscriptions, because those have to be processed by us, require payment processing fee by the gateway, have to be reviewed on every update (and this expense has to be covered) see more
It's just my personal preference not to use subscription-based software. That model does not work for me.
From what I understand, this will not affect you or others with the same mentality, its NOT a forced changed to abandon the current marketplace, instead, its a new alternative, which MAY increase potential revenue which "should" increase better support & quality of modules. Its just an additional option.
Andrew, usually I dont like your see more
Actually, 16-19 minutes breaks are just as fine too, considering you guys have been very busy, and getting sh*t DONE!
Keep up the great work.
Like most other people, I don't like the "burden" of constantly increasing operating costs, but worse than that is purchasing a module outright that simply doesn't work with the version of Dolphin you're running.
I bought such a module in early December 2015 and even though the developer said it was compatible with 7.2.1 in the market, it wasn't. The developer is working on full compatibility, but it's almost 2 months now and see more
Do us all a favour and post it here.
Now that we've made a substantial investment on the product though, we have to stick with all its problems, or cut our losses.