Windows is more secure than Linux ( 2009 )

Technoman posted 16th of June 2009 in Community Voice. 52 comments.

Windows more secure than Linux?

Windows sufferes fewer security vulnerabilities than Linux.

 

Although the statistics so far only go by what people say,  distributions of the Linux OS ( 2.6) suffer more vulnerabilities while Windows Newer OS's only suffer a few.

Although in previous years Windows has suffered the most vulnerabilities when compared to individual distributions, against the Linux OS and that Microsoft OS has consistently come out looking better off than its open source brother in law.

For five years straight, in fact, Windows has come out less scathed than Linux,

But when looking at the bigger picture, the number of vulnerabilities discovered has rocketed since the start of Linux and now Linux peaks more and more new security discoveries a month, revealing a lot of bug-hunting activity poking holes in the security of OS in general.

 
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clebarron
Not sure I would go here, quoting number of vulnerabilities doesnt mean more or less secure, it only takes one to cuase a problem and windows is by far easier to attack and has more focus from the nasties on the internet...I just can buy this just yet.
Technoman
Actually Windows 2007 there are no security risks so far .........
Technoman
I truly appreciate and believe in what the Linux community is attempting to accomplish, but as with anything that is free you get what you pay for.

I do not mean this in the sense of the quality of work, because with so many dedicate individuals creating such great products simply because they have a passion for it, there is nothing negative that I can say in respect that these individuals.

Again, it comes down to reality.

Microsoft has the financial backing, audience, (and mind control) see more to succeed for many years to come.
Carling
Now One only as to go to the professionals the world internet security companies websites to see the truth about MS XP Vista and now windoz 7 security. of which MS was warned before it was released windoz 7 that it still had the same security holes in it from 2002 that xp was released with.

now if you had any credibility about you you would put up a web links showing proof that Linux was insecure I on the other hand will give you the web sites to visit Try PC World and see what they have to see more say about Windows to the business community 1.3 million viruses registered last year for window 1.6 million computers infected reported by? who do you think MICROSOFT themselves Go hide in your windows box and stay there
teddirez
You said it.. they have the mind control - certainly have you fooled dont they. Fact still remains that more windows viruses are written every year than any other by a large margin.
If you have 100,000 attacks on one vulnerability in a windows machine versus a handful in a Linux machine, regardless of the total number of vulnerabilities on each, it would still make the windows machine less secure.
grv
This is probably right! Yes, bugs are everywhere including dolphin and different kind of software application but virus attack are bigger treat for windows machine rather than linux machine
Technoman
Not with Windows 2007 so far ......
Technoman
For the most part, in Windows (or Mac) you

Purchase software from your preferred retailer or download it from a website, run the installer, it places a shortcut on your desktop and Start menu, you double click the shortcut, and your program is running. At least in a perfect world that’s how it works. I am a windows technician so I know it is not always that straight forward, however Linux is no where near Windows.

Fact is Secuirty updates given Free if purchsed a license with Windows Daily.

Need see more I say more?

Things get VERY confusing in Linux.
Does my distribution use .rpm or .deb packages? Am I using Gnome, KDE, another of the available GUI (Graphical User Interface) or no GUI? Do I need to install via the terminal? Does the software require any dependencies? Will the installation method used be able to install the dependencies?

Need I say more?

Remember these are just a few of the questions that I forced myself to learn the answers to in order to be a unsatisfied Linux user,
this is why billions of Online users will continue to pay for a license for Windows to get daily secuirty updates from microsoft.

This is 1 of many reasons why Linux will continue to fail for the general, every day user.
DeeEmm
LOL - Mac is based on the same core as Linux (Unix) so where is it that Mac is so different?

Windows - More secure - LMFAO

Windows requires third party Antivirus AND Firewalls to make it even useable.

Ever heard of a linux virus???

Erm.....???

Didn't think so.


DM.
Technoman
What you fail to relise is that creating a virus for linux is EASY.....But most people whom run it don't run as root so the viris cannot access files used to replicate. There are MANY exploits for linux though, dont kid yourslef.
Technoman
Winodws users are 75% of the market share, 20% to mac and 10% to Linux.
DeeEmm
LOL easy huh...

Ok bring my servers down.

And I will eat my hat.
Technoman
Microsoft really did their homework on this one.

Windows 2007 is actually a Excellent OS compared to other OS's and much more secure then its older counterparts!
teddirez
Windows 2007?? do you mean Win7? Anyways it is what Vista was supposed to be a whole year before it was even released. So whilst sure its their best OS to date, its been a long time in the making and took an awful lot of PAYING beta testers to work this out.. Thats all Vista was, win7 beta.. and look at all the people that paid for it.. if it was a Linux distro it would have been classed beta or end in an odd number release (same thing mostly) and supplied free of charge.
DeeEmm
LOL - don't believe everything you read.

How is it secured? separation between user and system?

NOPE ...didn't think so.

The topology of the system is flawed and until they change it - it will always suffer from security issues.

Your statistics do not mention the magnitude of the security issues - they fail to mention that most of the security flaws for Windows have been serious - allowing remote operation - whereas the Linux flaws are minor and do not.
Technoman
The last Exploit to Window Users was mentioned all over the News, and there was a update for it and it was related to Internet Explore Not Winodws, and like I said I use Firefox.
DeeEmm
Explorer is an integral part of windows.

Not that it matters - as you are using Firefox you are obviously immune from all security issues.
Technoman
Lets forget for a second which is more secured, look at the negatives and build from there.

Windows has minor security problems,

Linux isn't user friendly at all,
and the Mac GUI is resource hungry like an angry mother after child assistance support.
DeeEmm
Thats why most windows users had to go out and buy a more powerful machine just to even be able to run vista. Windows is bloated to the point of bursting.

So if the mac is so resource hungry how comes I can run three operating systems simultaneously (two by VM) and not have a problem - try that on windows.

With windows, if you open internet explorer, notepad and excel together it farts, falls over and gives you the BSOD.
Technoman
I have A Quad Core Desktop Computer
( I made myself for under 500$ last year)
and i can open all the applications you mentioned and many more apps with out a flaw using Windows OS!

I think your talking about the first Pentiums, the recent PC for Windows are Beasts and there very cheap and so much more powerful than any other OS in the market at this given time!
DeeEmm
Applications? I said operating systems do you understand the difference? Clearly not.

So you run a quad core processor - my point exactly - if you ran anything less, windows would fall over and shit itself.

Nope - I am not talking about the first Pentiums - have you looked at the pre-requisites for running Vista??

1Gb Memory!!!!!!!
40Gb hard drive (15Gb for operating system!!!!!!)
128Mb graphics (minimum!!!!)

This is ridiculous, and it's only the minimum - it's even more if you want see more to use the advanced graphics capabilities of aero, and I bet Win7 will require even more processing power.

Here's Linux (Ubuntu)

# 300 MHz x86 processor
# 64 MB of system memory (RAM)
# At least 4 GB of disk space (for full installation and swap space)
# VGA graphics card capable of 640x480 resolution
# CD-ROM drive or network card

This is one of the reasons I left windows - I don't need to waste 15 gig's of hard drive space on nodding animated dogs and paperclips, it is just an operating system - something to make it easier for you to run programs and manage files. It comes with lots of useless bloating that is replaced by better applications by most people.

MS paint / photoshop ??
Iexplorer / Firefox??
Office / open office??
etc / etc...

I also HATE the fact that when I tell windows that I will update later it keeps reminding me, and if I go for a cup of tea, I return to find that even though I have told it NO - I WILL UPDATE LATER it has decided it knows better and has rebooted my machine.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Technoman
Are Linux and Mac OS X any safer?

First, look at the factors that cause email viruses and worms to propagate threw Windows.


Users who get an email with a subject line like
"Check out this wicked screensaver!"
and an attachment, too often users click on it without thinking first, and bang!

"It isnt a Windows Virus"
but software exploit and this is what causes it when a user allows it to be exploited and then it spreads off to the races and a new worm has taken see more over Windows systems.

I never accept files on any sharing sites, I always use a external USB to test files before putting them on my Windows Xp.

Not once have I ever had a virus on Windows, being that I have used Windows over 10 years!
DeeEmm
The reason the screen-saver virus is a problem is because the user has root access (to borrow a linux term). This allows it to do it's harm by being able to access core files

BECAUSE THE CORE OF THE O/S IS FLAWED!!

With Linux you get the same email - and it will do nothing.

Techoman said - "I never accept files on any sharing sites, I always use a external USB to test files before putting them on my Windows Xp.

Not once have I ever had a virus on Windows, being that I have used Windows see more over 10 years!"

Ok - clearly you have a need to avoid sites where potential malware exists - as your O/S is so vulnerable (don;t have to worry about that with Linux)

And you've probably never had a virus because you have anti virus software installed.

if you had told me you hadn't had a virus in 10 years and you had never installed antivirus software - Then I might be impressed (but would think you a liar - lol)
Technoman
With each new security vulnerability discovered comes a new patch from Microsoft.
DeeEmm
With each new post comes useless comments such as this one ^^^^^^^
Technoman
Security is, as we all know, a process, not a product. So when you use Linux,Mac,Windows you're not using a perfectly safe OS.

There is no such thing. But one that makes it far harder for viruses to take hold in the first place is the one who is running the OS!

In the end, As we all know Microsoft by the Highest levels by daily updating Windows OS of the Secuirty Risks keeps the Windows OS far more secure for the futur for the average novice user!

We have all seen the dramtic changes in see more the latest updates/upgrades that Microsoft has been offering to all Window users.

You get what you pay for in the end!
Technoman
Being 6'1" I can relate with MS, much as I have issues with them too. When you're the biggest kid around you're the target for every guy with the little man's disease.

What glory to write a virus for Apple at 15% market share or Linux with less?

If a sociopath wants to make as much havoc as possible, you target MS the taller and bigger guy.


Yeh, Microsoft they have done better over the years but I've never been hit with a virus, worm or trojan, I simply upgrade my MS progs and see more virus defs religiously, but how many do?

I also use Firefox do not forget!
DeeEmm
PMSL - too funny. You must have shares in Microsoft or something. (or is it all fools day where you are from?)
Technoman
I posted this up abouve but in wrong part, so i will say it again ...

Being 6'1" I can relate with MS, much as I have issues with them too. When you're the biggest kid around you're the target for every guy with the little man's disease.

What glory to write a virus for Apple at 15% market share or Linux with less?

If a sociopath wants to make as much havoc as possible, you target MS the taller and bigger guy.


Microsoft has done better over the years but, I've never been hit see more with a virus, worm or trojan, I simply upgrade my MS progs and virus defs religiously, but how many do?

I also use Firefox do not forget!
Technoman
Open Source Software is inherently dangerous because its source code is widely available, where as Windows 'blueprints' are carefully guarded by Microsoft.
=====================================
Thanks to our Service Packs that Microsoft offers for every paid windows user and this is why the Newest Windows OS is becoming more bullet proof in the last recent years!
teddirez
1) Windows updates are not released daily, when a problem/bug/vulnerabilty arises it is forwarded on to the applicable team, the team works a solution and depending on the severity of the flaw is tested for a certain period.
1a) Open Source flaws are generally fixed far more often as they are collaborated by a world of enthusiasts all adding their little bit right there right then as they are discovered.
2) The REASON the kiddies attack Microsoft is because they ARENT open source. When all the see more information is given to you up front, society in general is far more accepting than that of what goes on behind closed doors. These "blueprints" you speak of doesnt stop the fact that flaws are found and abused.
Carling
Open Source Software is inherently dangerous because its source code is widely available,
Fact
That's why it's the most secure because Open Source Software is widely available and open to scrutineers who check it out for ulnerabilities,
that's why the White House web site is using Open Source Software... go see for yourself why it is the most secure operating system
teddirez
I have no doubt Microsoft have done wonders for the PC world by making it easier for people to use. And yes Linux was the domain of the leet nerd once upon a time. But just like you cant install a deb package on windows any more than you can a exe onto Linux, each variant has its own extensions. RPM's have been round for a long time and whilst not always wonderful have now caught up as debs have pretty much become just as easy as an exe. You dont have a drama or kick up a stick if you own a petrol see more or diesel engine about what you should put in your car so really makes no diff to which distro you choose as to the default package installer. The only benefit is that for those in the know you can go a step further and cross platform compile progs to suit.
I have no dramas discussing the pros and cons of any OS but when what seems to be more a troll discussion comes about I have to flatly say.. no, your lack of ability to understand or comprehend a Linux distro, is clear and evident. So b4 touting 'statistics', please put some thought process into the meaning of them before going on a fanboy rant.
DeeEmm
teddirez I agree.

fanboi.

Nobody who is sane uses the words bulletproof and windows in the same sentence. The wool is well and truly pulled down to his chin.

Much like politics and religion, I think this is one conversation that is better left alone.

All I will say is that one day he will have a revelation and discover Linux (probably when he works out how to install it - lol) and then he will see the light - lol.

J/K

Enjoy windows Technoman - it's nice to see someone get some see more value out of a Microsoft product. I ended up very frustrated with it and so migrated entirely to Linux - now I also use a Mac. I still use Windows on the odd occasion I have to use VB, but this is grudgingly and every time I do it amuses me how clunky and slow Windows is.

$300 a year for windows (+ compulsory hardware upgrades to be able run it) $100 year for a firewall / virus checker v's a free operating system that is better featured, quicker, virus free and will run very happily on a much older machine (and has a much smaller footprint).

I know where I am staying :)

DM
Technoman
The “my OS is better than your OS” debate is usually a pointless exercise because the conclusions are ultimately unsatisfactory. It’s a bit like asking whose Mom makes the best apple pie. Sometimes Our prejudices get in the way of a logical debate, lets try and keep it going to what the Blog stipulates
"Windows is more secure than Linux".


However, despite being primarily a Windows user, I can’t help but feel like millions of others that Microsoft’s
“Winodws 2007 is see more one of the most secure OS on the market today in 2009”
which is an actual fact for the It Pros.

But to argue with Linux diahard fans, We should say that Windows is now much more secure than the older Windows OS.

All my Windows machines are beefed up with additional body armor in the form of firewalls and antivirus applications.

However while I know how to keep my Windows boxes safe from the bad guys.

The critical difference here isn’t the OS but the volume of people who are stupid enough to share applications with out the right protection or to open emails without the right protection.

I’m happy to leave my Windows open for months, without any worries.

That to me is a critical test in determining whether an OS is secure, for starters.
tyke
LOL.. 29 positives votes and only 2 voters...

Too funny for words....

You'll go blind you know playing with yourself so much

LOLOLOL
Technoman
You come here to tell me that i am playing with myself, maybe I am Tyke "Wanna Watch" ?????
tyke
LOL... No thanks.... Aint got a magnifying glass.
Technoman
Anyone who works as a Linux It Pro tracks security vulnerability reports knows of the ridiculous amount that reference holes in Linux. For whatever reason this is never talked about and Linux gets this magic aura of invulnerability. Part of the confusion lies with the complexity of the open source Linux model that separates Linux "Distributions" from Linux "Kernel" vulnerabilities. Now if you start looking into and adding up Linux "Distribution" vulnerabilities that see more can take you into the hundreds upon hundreds of security holes that are never talked about.
Technoman
I have never seen more excuses in my life. Linux is a convoluted mess that all starts with the Linux Kernel yet people try to make some illogical argument that the comparison is not accurate?
Please all the popular distributions include the earliest kernel (v2.6.x) thus include these vulnerabilities.

This ONE version of the Linux Kernel (v2.6.x) has more vulnerabilities than Windows XP which has been out for 7 years. That is very telling of the insecure state of Linux which is overly hyped as see more "secure".
DeeEmm
Fanboi said "I have never seen more excuses in my life"...

Who exactly are you talking to??

I have not read one single excuse on this thread

Perhaps the voices are louder than normal today?
teddirez
2.6.x?? huh.. which one you referring to? 2.6.3 has only been out a short time and is clearly stated as the only stable/secure version of the 2.6 family so if your using another version than really its no one elses fault but your own to use an unsecure product.
Thats like installing the latest version of Dolphin alpha and complaining that its inferior and buggy...
kosmic
see moreHi folks, this post caught my eye today, as i was doing some research on linux security and thought it sounded familiar... here are the originals.

http://www.populartechnology.net/2007/01/windows-xp-more-secure-than-linux.html

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2117482/windows-secure-linux


Technoman nothing personal but why waste your time and everybody elses posting 7 year old information changing a few years here and there so it looks upto date...when you didnt write it in the first place??
Technoman
no idea what your talking about
DeeEmm
LOL Too Funny. Fanboi got found out.

Good show Kosmic

:D
kosmic
Dont call me a liar technoman, thats abusive.

here is the proof...as he has changed his post now

this is the first half

http://yfrog.com/0w1sthalfp

this is the second half

http://yfrog.com/182ndhalfp

and this is google cached page

http://bit.ly/3EPgfK

what do you have to say about your copy and pasting antics technoman?
kosmic
more proof...

look at technoman's last post ( not the last reply to me).... and now look here


http://www.populartechnology.net/2007/01/windows-xp-more-secure-than-linux.html

8th post down


1/17/2007 9:04 PM

Nathaniel said...

This ONE version of the Linux Kernel (v2.6.x) has more vulnerabilities than Windows XP which has been out for 5 years. That is very telling of the insecure state of Linux which is overly hyped as "secure".
Technoman
Hey kosmic .... please stop hyjacking my blog ... !!
DeeEmm
LMFAO.

Fanboi - you've been busted.
c0rrupt0r
LMAO
I know this is about a month old but this just made me really laugh on this note i believe that Technoman must have been paid off by microsoft or to say brown nosed to post this crap cause seriously how many times does one have to try to install a microsoft OS and take an hour out of their day to do it and then come to find out the damn thing had errors or not all the OS had been installed correctly.

Not to mention all the Third party Firewalls/Antivirus GUI's they are having to use to see more keep their system safe from everything out there that is coded directly to attack a Microsoft system, Which to note that the Third Party Firewalls/Antivirus have their own back doors/vulnerabilities.
They surely dont think of that I dont believe!

How long does it take to secure a Linux Distro v.s Microsoft
Linux is right out of the box with no need of Firewalls/Antivirus and when do you hear of a Linux System being hacked and how often do you hear of Linux Systems being crashed by worms/viruses or even a simple overflow of a file that can crash the system by just over flooding it with files. thats how simply a Microsoft computer can be crashed just by over flooding it with a simple Text File that can multiply inside the systems OS.

Now to go and see a linux user and a Microsoft user go at it to find vulnerabilities in each others computers and see who can access whos computer first would be the trick to find out for sure wouldnt it. I have no doubt who would win that race.

As far as a Microsoft computer being more user friendly is not so true either, each OS has its own user friendly ways, just because you have driven a car all your life and then jump on a motor bike after never riding one before and thinking your going to be a pro, it doesn't work that way.

Microsoft has people manipulated to believe its the best OS is the only reason they have it in systems in the stores because they paid big money to have the manufactures Advertise and support their OS surely doesn't mean its much more better then linux.

Ok now I think thats enough of my time of telling it how it is, Each to their own if you wish to use a system that can crash and loose all your important info then please feel thats your choice lol. as they say don't knock it till you try it.

Your friendly and happy Linux User
c0rrupt0r
Carling
Technoman is hiding in his window box cause Technoman got no technoclue
 
 
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