WebHome - The Revolution of Social Networking

Andrew Boon posted 15th of May 2010 in . 46 comments.

The social web is largely controlled by a few giant companies. Social networks like Facebook, Twitter and MySpace control an unbelievable amount of personal data, social profiles and social connections. In the real world, however, things like friendship ties and interpersonal communication control is deemed unacceptable.

We believe that it is time to free the social web and give control back to the people. Today, we launch WebHome.org - the site that will serve as a "headquarters" for a movement. We propose "WebHome" as a name for all "social profiles" that can be connected to a free, open social web. Thus, we can build the true Web 3.0 - open, decentralised and social.

A person's WebHome would work as their OpenID and "social profile". WebHome can be build upon any software, like WordPress, MT, Dolphin, Joomla, etc. Just imagine yourself logging-in to your "www.namesurname.com" site and browsing, commenting and following other sites like that without joining them, similar to how you browse Facebook profiles. Similar experience, full control over your data, full freedom and no privacy fears.

There's a lot more to it, so go to http://www.webhome.org and join the revolution!


WebHome

Why BoonEx?

Our mission, as you know, is to Unite People. This is it. WebHome.org is the single most important step we have ever done to fulfill this statement. We have experience and understanding in both software development and social networking. We have you, our community, which would help us to kick start this movement. We have Dolphin, which is super-popular and will be accepting WebHomes as remote social profiles and WebHome OpenID as identification.

We decided to pledge $200,000 for the first stage and will support WebHome indefinitely.

For BoonEx Clients

The biggest problem for all Dolphin-based communities is that they are small or medium in size, but social networking only works when membership is high. Thus, a handful of giant corporations literally soak-in every opportunity for a niche site. This is wrong. People are free and should not be considered as an asset. Websites should compete in functionality, ease of use, content, niche, but not in users count.

Now, when everyone is at Facebook or Twitter, nobody wants to join any other site, because their friends are not there! Nobody wants to fill out numerous join forms and remember passwords. Nobody wants to upload their photos to Facebook and a dozen of niche sites.

With WebHomes, everyone would have their own social profile that they control, connected to profiles on other sites, or independent profiles. Using niche sites won't be a hassle, and would not disconnect users from their social graphs. Smart ideas, content and originality will rule again.

What we need

We need participation, attention, media coverage and advice. We need platforms, developers and corporations to realize that this is the future of the web. WebHome is a not-for-profit movement, a free and open project, which will never be controlled by anyone. We just need to make the world know about it.

We can make it happen! Join us!

 
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cbassthefish
I see a few of these types of concepts being banded around in the tech news these days. Probably mostly as a reaction to the FaceBook user data privacy firestorm that is going on at the moment. It is early days and I think that Boonex have enough experience and expertise to be a pioneer in this sort of area. Hopefully this will not take resource away from D7 development. I give it a tentative thumbs up :o)
pierrehs
It would be better to release D8 instead take time to develop WebHome
Andrew Boon
We do not "develop" WebHome. We started it. Technologies are there, software is available. Somebody just had to get everything together and say "Let's do it" out loud. If anything, this should only help with Dolphin development.
killerhaai
I can see the idea behind it, but have my questions if this will be a success. There are to many community to choose out. Most local networks are favorite.
But I will give it a try. When there is a module or plugin for Dolphin I wiil accept it to 0ne or two sites.

The future wiil let us see if this child can grow up.
Audanbal
Yay, we're on the same page! I had this idea too like two years ago. I'm all for it.

*shouting* LET'S DO IT! LET'S DO IT! LET'S DO IT!
JasonVan
Wow! Andrew, looks like you've been very, very busy. I'll definitely have to investigate this a bit more before I can really comment.
It sounds like a great idea but I have 2 questions:
1) So Boonex starting "Webhome" won't distract attention away from fixing Dolphin 7 bugs?
2) By doing this, isn't Boonex concerned that this might paint a bullseye on itself (retaliation from the big social networking sites to try to take down Boonex/Dolphin...... because in a way, this is like launching an attack on them)?
theguypc
1. I would rather have one finished product - pick one. D5, D6, D7, or Trident. It's been years and not one of these have really been finished.

2. The concept (and that's all this really is), is flawed in several ways.

a) Most people aren't going to purchase a domain. They just won't.
b) Using a real name is going be a problem with a lot of people. They won't do it.
c) Many, many people have the same name - meaning the domain won't be available.
d) Even if this were to start to take off, see more every company on the planet is going to copy it and dilute the market. This is problem with social networking to a large extent. Making it open source will just give them a head start.


3. Most Dolphin sites are small to medium, that is true. But I'm not sure this is really a negative. Furthermore, part of the reason there aren't many more Dolphin sites - potentially larger ones - is that Dolphin is buggy as hell. It's like driving a car with a defective steering wheel. Waiting for a patch takes forever, and then we get something like these two new sites instead of what we were waiting for in the first place. It's like a flippin' shell game.

----to be continued------
theguypc
I may be wrong, but I think most people are going to be leery of getting excited about *yet another* Boonex project when there has never been one that has really been fully supported or completed. There are always big promises at the beginning, but then Boonex either gets bored with it, or are just in over your heads. I can't figure it out.

I hope this changes the world for you Andrew. I like you & hope you do well with whatever you decide to pursue. However, it does nothing at all for me. see more I seriously doubt it does anything for a myriad of other people who just want to use a relatively bug free version of Dolphin either.
This, (as I've said previously), looks very much like you are about to (or have already), abandon D7. If that's the case, fine. But why not just tell everyone? Most of us don't get a kick out of waiting years for promises that never - ever - come to fruition. We are growing old.

Good luck,

Corey
houstonlively
Andrew, if you want this to catch on, you'll have to come up with a better presentation than a website called webhome.org that is nothing more than a few wordpress blogs and a few Wordpress social plugins. You are not even remotely close to being able to present this concept to anyone.

If you want to be webhome.org, then you'll have to look like webhome.org from day one. With webhome.org, you are in the same boat as all of us with our tiny little Dolphin sites, that are for the most part, see more an insignificant part of the big picture. You face the same basic question that all of us face: "How do I get people to look at my site and say, "Wow! ... I need this"? Funny thing is, the easier you can answer that question, the smaller your site is likely to be.

It seems like the majority of Dolphin users are building some sleazy porn site, or internet peep show, or MuchBetterThanMatchDotCom dating site. I expect that it's pretty easy to find members for those types of sites. It's not that difficult to find some lonely hearts that cannot find a real world relationship, so they turn to the virtual reality of the internet in hopes that things will somehow be better.

The site owners that want their site to be a valuable business site, or the ones that truly want to offer something better, face the most difficult challenges. Anybody that has been at this a while, knows that you can't draw members by telling them that Facebook or Myspace is bad for them, nor can you do it by telling them that you have more features, or better features. The average internet user just doesn't care about those things. They just gravitate toward things that seem familiar to them, and are usually very reluctant to get involved with something different.

For the average internet user, webhome.org will just be something different. Come up with something that make the average internet user say "Wow!", and then you will have made a difference.
clubbeyourself
Tried to post on the forums page on: http://www.webhome.org/forum/discussion/1/webhome-the-revolution-of-social-networking

Get this error:
Permission Problem
You do not have permission to access the requested resource.

Not a great start, But I am intrigued and very interested in this project.

Jeff
buckmcgoo
I just tried to pull up the names of everyone I know (like johnsmith.com) and guess what.. they are ALL taken (including my real name). They are all those "squater" pages that are just ads and stock photos. So what then?
DeeEmm
LOL @ "You do not have permission to access the requested resource." - I've already likened this to the BSOD (blue screen of death) that plagues Windows users - seems that this is truly Boonex's legacy - not only do the bugs follow them round, but so do the error messages.

So, first sooperstars, now webhome, I think alext really is stretching himself too far now, Seems that his, and your focus is very obviously in other places than Dolphin 7.

Currently it looks little more than see more an attempt at building another blogger site - and IMHO there simply isn't enough room for another one, it's already being done, and very successfully (and backed by google). And as far as aggregating de-centralised content into one place, why not use something already in the market - like the excellent flock browser or any number of other tools / plugins / feed aggregation services.

Personally I cannot see it taking off, as aside from the fact that this and sooperstars both need the touches of a decent designer (something that I am not unfamiliar with on my own CMS), surely you realise that for it to even have half a chance it would tie up your resources for at least the foreseeable future, especially as you are in direct competition with some major players.

Not only this, but you do not even own all of the TLD's - and specifically the most important one. It just seems like another half baked, ill conceived idea, that will waste valuable resources, and is doomed to failure. Not only that - but $200,000 would easily see current Dolphin 7 bugs fixed.

cont...
DeeEmm
So how does this fit in with the public perception that I keep on banging on about?

Well, if you've just paid upwards of $1000 to get your site up and running with a licensed copy of Dolphin and the so called prime package, only to find that the thing is so bug ridden it cannot be used in a commercial environment without spending further time and money, and then go on to read how 'your' money is now going to be invested - not in fixing up the product that you have just bought, but some other crack-pot see more idea. I think that there is every chance you would be royally pissed off.

Sorry - guys - this goes down as another EPIC FAIL from me. In fact if it wasn't May, I would almost think that sooperstars and webhome were an Aprils fools joke.

$200,000, is the annual salary for a half decent developer - I suggest you hire one and use them to fix Dolphin.

02c/DM
CodeSatori
I'm going to not comment on this project at all -- in light of the note that $200.000 has been pledged towards it. If it were a little experiment like the reverse twitter site I would, but with this level of funding for something like this, I'm a bit baffled.

How much has been budgeted for producing your actual software --- Dolphin 7 (in progress), and the evidently frozen Trident platform?

With $200.000, you could have a team of code monkeys chipping away at $20/hour for a grand total of *ten see more thousand working hours*. You could even get your next-generation Trident plaftorm for the budget if you wanted.
MichelSwiss
As for me, the only revolution I am waiting for is a fully finished, fully working, most used browsers compatible version of Dolphin :-))
buckmcgoo
If you were a publicly traded company your stock would have just plummeted... come on guys do one thing and do it well.. DOLPHIN!
theguypc
Something positive to say.....

I really like the logo as pertains to the domain name & the concept. It works & it looks good.

But.....

Before you spend two hundred large on this idea, pitch it to regular Internet users. Seriously. I think you'll find the reaction colder than what you see here. It's not that it is a *bad* idea, (though in the context of Dolphin it is), it's that it's not an easy concept to grasp IMHO, and there are too many hurdles for people to jump in order to see more use it. I don't have a lot of faith in the abilities of regular users and there is a very good reason why. For many people, the idea of even creating a domain name will scare the heck out of them. But I digress.
theguypc
As far as the relation to Dolphin, I really don't see how this is going to fix the problems so many have been having with the script. I don't believe you are listening to us at all. How many posts have you read on Unity that said - "DAMNIT!!!! I WISH THAT BOONEX WOULD CREATE A SITE THAT WOULD MIX MY SITE WITH ALL OF THE OTHERS!!!!"

You haven't. You've seen countless people ask for a working script that people can believe in. You continue to take all of the positive and make it negative. see more Boonex has a base (though it has significantly dwindled over time), and you ignore it. Worse, you disrespect your base. Unacceptable.

I saw that "Trident" is supposed to be released in 2010. Really? Is that what we are supposed to wait for now? Why? So you can come out with a viral video script and pitch it as a good thing for people who are struggling to make it with your main script?

Come on guys! What is the disconnect here?

How about trying the one thing you have never tried? Do everything in your power to fix your script and then see what happens. It seems a hell of a lot less risky then creating websites in hopes of distracting everyone into believing your promises. It's all "shuck and jive"

Since I have noticed that Boonex is back to its anti-free speech ways tonight (IOW I had a reply deleted for no good reason), I expect this comment to go the way of D5, D6, and D7.

This needs to be said - again though. Not that we haven't been screaming it for years now.

I just sit here shaking my head. 200,000 clams for a site that has nothing to do with Dolphin, and more promises for the people waiting on fixes. If someone can explain the sense of any of this - please do so. I just do not get it.

But I do like the logo. I'm not sure it's worth 200 large, but hey...................................
DeeEmm
I've got a better idea - how about I give out something like username.yourfavouritesite.com domains for free, and provide each user with ALL of the tools that they would need in relation to social networking.

With a single login users can get access to their own dedicated blog, their very own photo gallery, with it's own built in slidehow, a personal video gallery where videos can be shared with others. A place where they are able to create and run their own special interest groups, to be able see more publicise and run public events, take part in community discussions about subjects close to their own hearts, and read targeted news and articles related to exactly what they are into. Hell why not even throw in some video chatrooms where they can talk to other like minded people, an advertising section selling only stuff that they are likely to want to buy, and wrap it all within one single interface - an interface that they can communicate with directly from their desktop, or should they be away from their computer their IPhone. And all of this specifically related to their key passion, whether that's football, dating, skateboarding or whatever - no need to trawl through pages of unrelated crap, about stuff that they are not into - only content related to what they want to see is presented to them.

The internet of the future???

NOPE - this is every single Dolphin site out there.

It's just a shame that Dolphin does not work.

/DM
DeeEmm
I've got an idea - how about I give out something like username.mysite.com domains for free, and provide each user with ALL of the tools that they would need in relation to social networking.

With a single login users can get access to their own dedicated blog, their very own photo gallery, with it's own built in slidehow, a personal video gallery where videos can be shared with others. A place where they are able to create and run their own special interest groups, to be able publicise and run see more public events, take part in community discussions about subjects close to their own hearts, and read targeted news and articles related to exactly what they are into. Hell why not even throw in some video chatrooms where they can talk to other like minded people, an advertising section selling only stuff that they are likely to want to buy, and wrap it all within one single interface - an interface that they can communicate with directly from their desktop, or should they be away from their computer their IPhone. And all of this specifically related to their key passion, whether that's football, dating, skateboarding or whatever - no need to trawl through pages of unrelated crap, about stuff that they are not into - only content related to what they want to see is presented to them.

The internet of the future???

NOPE - this is every single Dolphin site out there.

It's just a shame that the software does not work.

/DM
danielmarseille
you believe dolphin project -- buy licenses dophin - subscribe to "Premium Members" - buy modules

and spend days and nights to make your site with D7 - wait for updates - that will fix your problems

result - bonnex working on other projects - and your D7 - still bugs and function strange -

bonnex you take the dolphin community for fools
Good idea but needs alot more work. There are many concerns over the directions taken but if you need extra help - start talking to us to really change the Internet landscape as our ideals are the same and as they say, two heads are better than one.

If this API works well in the future, we will also intergrate it into our system at a later date to help spread the word.
Nathan Paton
How dare BoonEx work on something else besides Dolphin!? And you know what pisses me off? I saw IgorL eating a bowl of cereal in the morning instead of working on Dolphin! How dare he take time away from that script!? How dare he!?
gkcgautam
Boonex won't care to work on the improvement of Market at Unity, but is wasting time in resources in such projects.

If Unity market had been similar to Expertzzz where we dint need to pay to sell things, i would have never asked you to fix it. But now you are charging us and instead of fixing and improving it, are wasting our money on such projects which are in no way helpful to us.
One20
BoonEx can do whatever will motivate them to finish Dolphin. This is one of them.
CodeSatori
Andrew, If you really want to put your $200,000 into good use, toss it over to my team and we'll get you a solid Trident framework beta by October, bundled with a backward-compatibility layer for D7 to keep a sense of continuity in your products.
I guess you said it better there ! ;-)
Seriously, would not take too long to sort it all out to a solid build.
Denre
Personally I do not think this is a good idea and something boonex should not invest in. The concept is the same as openID, with more information stored about you by webhome.org (if I'm right). Having all this information stored by this organization takes a lot of responsibility and seen the track record of boonex so far, I do not believe they are capable of being trusted with all that information.

"no full control over your data, full freedom and no privacy fears"
I might be mistaken see more but “no full control” and “full freedom” are contradicting each other. It means I also have no control about what other people can see about me, something that gives me privacy fears!

Of course boonex has the right to work on other things than dolphin, however seen the current state of the project/website I do not think it was a wise decision to use the boonex blogs/forums, to share these thoughts.

There are many complaints on the state of orca, there is no clear user/developers documentation, forum posts don't always get replies, bugs are not always added to trac, and more. Because of this I believe that investing that $200.000 in sorting out dolphin, would give you a much better ROI than webhome.org. I might be wrong and to quote houstonlive "you are not even remotely close to being able to present this concept to anyone" so that might contribute to it, but webhome.org seems a revolution that is already dead and buried, before it even started

Regarding sooperstars, this idea is also not new and there are some social network sites who have implemented something similar successfully. What boonex should do with it, is making it available as a module for dolphin but slightly different. People can give than their opinion about people they know and in return they receive tokens. When you have x-tokens you can use these to see what someone else said about you. This would be a good initiative to give your opinion about someone else.
LightWolf
All I can say is "Here we go again"...ughhh This bites, really bites. Stop adding more work to the staff and PLEASE just finish 1 thing!!!
cbassthefish
I believe CodeSatori could advise and help out Boonex remendously. I would seriously consider what he is saying as I have seen his work and I am very impressed by it.
LightWolf
Here's an ideal, spend that $200.000 on getting a finished product.
dolphin_jay
Webhome plugin not working in step 4 on software page.
the file in the zip has no file extention.
wordpress error says header information is missing or can not be found when installing webhome plugin.

why did i have to sign up with an email address and user name on there when the concept of the project is to have one easy way to connect with everything using one (uno) openid ?

Still not sure if i understand the concept of this project.
i added the domain jayandterri.com for your testing see more if need be. - no webhome plugin do to errors in code.

They didnt spend any time on this at all its just wordpress with openid plugin. they spent maybe 2 hours coding the webhome plugin and thats about it. (could not get it to install by the way) so thats about all they did here.
buckmcgoo
You guys have what COULD be the best social networking package out there with Dolphin. Why not try and become the BEST instead of trying to copy twitter, openid and other LEADERS in their prospective fields?? If you always follow one step behind someone else that is where you will always be, one step behind.
Nathan Paton
I don't think people realize that SooperStars is the opposite of Twitter (hello, buckmcgoo).
vietphi
i hope u guy finish dolphin 7 soon. If the things continue happen like this maybe i'll chose another solution like phpfox.

Dolphin is the best Dating script i ever seen, so why dont you make it become the "BEST"?. It's too much bug out there
rhimpr
WOW...... They can not be serious.. What are-were you thinking.

Business 101.......
buckmcgoo
I know exactly what Sooperstars is... its twitter but you post something about someone else.. HUGE difference Magnussoft. Oh and it looks horrible and has a silly domain name. Oh wait did you mean its the opposite of Twitter like Twitter is popular and successful? In that case you are correct. You know what Boonex needs to put out that would change the web? A search engine called Searchtastic.com, wait that's spelled correctly.. Suuurchtastic.com! Pow! That's my mental property Boonex before you see more try and design it!
Nathan Paton
@buckmcgoo: You've always been on my bad side. Honestly, I believe some people are overreacting to the news of these two new projects.
DeeEmm
lol @ silly domain names

sooper
expertzzz
demozzz

BTW isn't twitter where you post about other people more commonly know as facebook? Maybe Bonnex (sic) should register faceboot (a name that works on a couple of different levels.)

@magnussoft - not overreacting - jut plain reacting. Apathy simply makes for an ideal customer.

/DM
buckmcgoo
@Magnussoft: I don't think I've ever said a word to you? Should I care which of your sides I'm on? Is there an incentive to be on either side, like a prize or something?

@DeeEmm: How about Fazzzeboook. Oh! How about twatter? That could be a twitter for porn stars!
Nathan Paton
@buckmcgoo: Actually, there is. The person who's most on my good side wins a trip to Disney Land each year.
drnappi
I am a new user of Dolphin, and have to weigh in on my limited take on this thread after reading all the posts. I have to say that I would truly like to see boonex, as many have stated, get the bugs out of dolphin, beef up support, reinvest in making it better, and do a better job of owning the responsibility of weeding out some here who claim to be dolphin experts that are really no more than predators of newcomers. Seems like some great programmers are putting lots of time in developing great modz see more and it would be nice if they could have those modz work as they intend and not hindered by the bugs in dolphin. My hat off to many of you and your creativity.
mychillspot
/me hopes boonex keeps dolphin its number 1 priority !!!
Andrew Boon
I've answered some of your questions in a separate blog post.
 
 
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