Thumbs Voting

LightWolf posted 2nd of June 2009 in Community Voice. 47 comments.

Okay before i start and get this blog deleted, i am posting the rules i seen when i decided to post this blog

"Unity Blog is the place to discuss problems, ideas, suggestions related to BoonEx products and the BoonEx company"

I'm getting upset at those who vote  just to make the poster mad. I have noticed that all of sammies posts have been getting thumbs down and those who are standing by her also (like me). I am not sure who is doing this, but don't you think this is a bit childish? I have read her posts and didn't see any reason for this negative attack. It is time for all the children on this site to go home! Stop voting just to slam someones blog. Vote because you agree or disagree with the post.

Let's leave all that high school crap for MYSpace and FaceBook, and let Boonex grow in strength not hatred! Negative energy breeds negative actions and this is NOT what Dolphin is about. So if you feel the urge to follow posters and thumbs down them, just step back from your pc and turn on cartoons like all children should do. After all i thought we were all ADULTS around here? Am I wrong?

 
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LightWolf
Well i can see one of the local children has stopped by and gave this post a negative vote. It's ok Jucker, we now see who it is that is doing all the thumbs down.

Unoboonex, is this how members of your staff are to act?

Juker did i do anything to you to get this response, or is it because of what i wrote? Please explain the reason behind your negative vote. I watched you go to my blog juker and then the rating went from 2 thumbs up to 1 after you read my post.

Maybe we should have a box see more come up that say's you must state your reason for the vote before it can be posted. This seems to be the only way to stop some of this negative energy.

Unoboonex please look into this, as this is really going to chase away good people that want to use your product to be able to help others that are less fortunate.
sammie
just to prove the person that sent you the pm to say i have been suspend is wrong, so you from Cali. get your facts right. and stop spreading crap about me C
Technoman
let us ignore the negative and positive votes, the more we talk about it the more they will do it, its plain and simple
( let the sleeping dogs rest ) :) !
houstonlively
Ladies and Gentlemen, I bring you cutting edge blog voting technology.

I propose that 'positive' and 'negative' be replaced with emotions. Instead of positive, we use a cute little smiley face to click on. Then instead of a harsh word like 'negative', we have a cute little emotion with it's tongue sticking out that we click on. A single emotion would be placed beside the author's name which would be either a smiley face, or an emotion with it's tongue sticking out toward the author's name. see more Which emotion that appeared would depend on the vote ratio. Here's the real kicker... the greater the imbalance of votes, the larger the emotion grows in size. In other words, if 20 people clicked the tongue emotion, and no one clicked the little smiley emotion, the blog author would have this huge-ass emotion with a tongue sticking out next to their name. Thus, encouraging them to make more sensible posts in the future.
LightWolf
Oh my what an idea you have there houston...roflmao how about instead of a smiley we have a human head with the word idiot that grows larger with each negative vote on his/her forehead?
sammie
so i can have Kiss My on the back of my shorts? use that. YAY
tyke
see moreLightwolf, while im sure everybody respects your opinion, did you really think it was wise to put a blog up like this in the light of what has been happening the last few weeks. This is the sort of blog that can quickly get out of hand with personality clashes and so on and will quickly stir things up again. IMHO this blog and the disrespectful tone thats in it, simply isnt needed at the moment. While im sure you have a valid point, sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture.

Regards

tyke
sammie
how is a woman being disrespectful, posting about another woman being abused? Boonex found out the other night, what its like to be on the receiving end of it, and there was nothing they could do to stop me. an ip ban? well cool, 3 minutes a new account and i could login again from anywhere in the world. even DosDawgs pc at home or his work. and they would have ended up banning their own staff lol (DD no need to panic, i wouldnt have done that lol)

Tyke, maybe she posted and has had pm's from see more someone? who knows. maybe she is the same as i am a 2nd class citizen here?
tyke
you see this is exactly what im talking about, nobody mentioned womens abuse etc etc, i was talking about this blog, and phrases used "It is time for all the children on this site to go home!"
"Let's leave all that high school crap for MYSpace and FaceBook" and so on, these phrases are enough to get peoples backs up and there are many ways to get a valid point across without being so aggressive. This site doesnt need this right now in my opinion, it just breeds more negativity see more and grunges, stirs people up and so on. Which is the last thing any of us wants at the moment, not to mention Boonex themselves i would imagine. why is it so hard for people to be happy campers on here.
sammie
ah ok Tyke
no-one mentioned women being abused huh?
"I'm getting upset at those who vote just to make the poster mad. I have noticed that all of sammies posts have been getting thumbs down and those who are standing by her also (like me)."

i am a woman. that is the targetted. thats what she was posting about. but ok we get it, just 2nd class citizens here, because the male ego and testosrone in this place treats us like we belong in the kitchen.

you attacked her post because it see more made you angry because of the terms used in it right?

well the abuse of the voting system makes me angry. and your falling victim to the trolls abusing it. but you dont see it, they have you turning against the women now. and i thought better of you than that.

well now its 2 women standing up for our rights, and i am sure more will come out of the shadows the testosterone mob has been happy to put down.
TheSoMeEx
Although I have not been on here long, I have to say that I agree that votes should be cast with reason, good or bad.

Even if it's something as simple as, "Thank you, very useful post."

A drop-down, even, with options to choose from:

Vote +1: Excellent Post!
Vote +1: Very Useful!
Vote -1: I disagree.
Vote -1: Drama!

Of course, those are just off the top of my head, I'm sure others could do better.

That said, I am not sure that negative voting is a good thing. Why give see more someone a chance to tear others down? Instead, if a post is truly not useful, allow a "report button," and if the post is reported too many times, it is looked at for moderation.

Again, just throwing out ideas. Not perfect ones, just ways to look at the situation. *smiles*
sammie
well that is the whole point of this place, its a system build with self moderation tools built in, Orca is a self moderating forum script. so are the blogs here, get -5 and the replies become hidden and the moderators informed. only we didnt have any moderators here lol oops.

Boonex trying to code themselves out of the responsibility of care to the community.
DosDawg
there has been some discussion with myself and others in regards to the thumbs up thumbs down issue. i have read and agree partly with most every post on here. i personally prefer to keep the thumbs up thumbs down voting, however, it should not be allowed to an anonymous poster. furthermore, the poster even if answering a post, could be required to have 180 days as a mature member of the community, so we are not seeing "do drop ins" posting their negative feedback with no proof-positive see more experience.

the suggestion by TheSoMeEx is also logical. there are so many excellent choices that are available, but all must understand, the focus from Boonex and the development staff is directly on the development of the next dolphin release. i think its imperative that we as the members sort this amongst ourselves and where we are all within bounds in our suggestions regarding the thumbs up thumbs down voting system, do we really want to have this as a distraction for the development team, moreover, do we really want to see new members stepping into this forum and blog reading such nonsense as we have seen in relation to the thumbs up thumbs down?

just my thoughts, and hope we can generate some positive feedback on this?

Regards,
DosDawg
sammie
DD you say 180 days, whos mad cap idea was it to allow people to become pundits with less than 10 posts? YEA HELLO access to Trac and can delete and edit it with no proven Track record?

sorry but someone at Boonex needs their head rewired, there is a short there somewhere, can call that idea a bright spark
DosDawg
i suppose it was the owners of boonex, and fortunately for us they are running things the way they wish to run them.
sammie
i suppose it was the owners of boonex, and unfortunately for us they are running things the way they wish to run them.


unfortunately <<< i corrected your spelling mistake ;)
gameutopia
It's not like we are voting for president or something, so to me it's not a big deal. It used to get me worked up, but I have learned to let it go as this is not real big deal in my life at the moment. I really do have other issues than the point system. However I do see where it might matter to some. Afterall it is a voting system. Anytime a yes/no postivie/negative is involved there will always be some that follow it and you can't please every one so some hurt feelings. If you get a plus cool, see more if you get a negative then some hurt feelings. I really think that some people take this as a matter of heart and a personal issue. For some I don't blame them they work their tails off for this, so it is a kind of personal issue and it kind of hurts when you get the negative vote.

I wish there was some other vote in place, but honestly I don't know what that would be that would satisfy and please everyone. Don't get worked up over the tumbs and voting there is too much more to life than something so simple as this. Once you get hit by something that effects your own life you will see that life goes on and points and these things are just a small issue. I think we can get over the points issue I know I have.
houstonlively
What? Nobody likes my idea? :'(
LightWolf
I forgot what were they houston? Whisper them in my ear hon.
houstonlively
Oh..I bet you ask all the guys to whisper in your ear ;)
LightWolf
No way you are my first...honest!
tyke
I really dont think its the voting system myself, its fine as far as i can see, you either dont vote, give thumbs up, or thumbs down. If people get a thumbs down that should be fine, usually though the people tend to say why they dont agree, and to me thats fine also. People should realise if they are going to put out opinions then not everyone may agree with it, thats all part of it though, we cant please all people at all times with our idea's and notions. People are just taking this voting thing see more far too seriously. If you take the negative voting off then people will accuse you of censoring people who dont agree with you, Ebay have done that to some degree with its feedback and to say it didnt go down very well would be an understatement.
This really hasnt anything to do with the voting system, which works well on many many places, its more to do with attitudes, and dare i say it, pandering to ego's. Give me a thousand thumbs down and i wont bat an eye lid.

So long as you believe what you are saying is thought out and correct in your blog, then it shouldn't really matter how many thumbs down you get. For the life of me i really cant see what all the fuss is about now. the site has mainly calmed down, and members are trying to get along, so i cant help feeling that this is being made a bigger deal than it ought to be for the very few members who may do a drive by negative for no reason. Thats life and you cant stop it unless you cover us all in cotton wool.

regards

Tyke
DeeEmm
I find it funny how some people get so very upset if they get negative votes.

The biggest problem is that everyone needs to consider the context of the vote - In the case of blogs - the voting is really referring to opinions - of which everyone has their own - If your opinion is little left field or perhaps expressed in a strong or unusual manner it is bound to stir emotions - voting is likely to be extreme. A negative vote doesn't mean a bad post - it simply means that the voter disagrees with see more your opinion - which they are entitled to do. (freedom of speech etc).

In the case of the answers section - the voting is actually reflecting the value of the post in a different way - it is a vote about the answer itself - a good / correct solution will get a positive vote - a bad solution or one that didn't work will get a bad vote.

The context of the two areas is completely different

DM
DeeEmm
BTW - I like the voting system.

It is a good measure of value - whether of popular opinion - or of good help.
sammie
yes DeeEmm when you thumb up every single one of your own posts its a good measure of your self centred need to have the points lol
sammie
ok enough.
LightWolf was a victim of abuse here by a former Moderator who stole $10,000+ from the members of this community. so when you new people attack her post because she used words you didnt like.

just think about the people who know whats gone on before you joined this place

there is a lot more victims than most of you new people know about.
DosDawg
returning the flavor sammie:

\@/ "there are a lot more victims"

Regards,
DosDawg
sammie
wow 2 hours and not a single reply?
is that because you were informed you are ganging up on yet another female victim of past abuse here? i bet that really makes you guys feel powerful

like a pack of wolves huh?

there are more female victims, be very careful who you attack again. then you wont feel like you do now, ashamed of yourselfs.

yes the people who have been here longest know a lot more than most who jumped on the bandwagon to attack people
DosDawg
sammie,
you think we could kill the use of the verbiage "attack", "victims" and "abuse"? in all honesty other than self gratification, what positive are we creating by associating these words with boonex and the blogs?

Regards,
DosDawg
LightWolf
DeeEmm -"I find it funny how some people get so very upset if they get negative votes.


I think getting negative votes when they do not pertain to the subject, sends the wrong messages to new members that come here. I have seen negative votes on good people that do help and can help newbies with their problems, but when they see negative votes for that person, they may not ask them for help and this would be a shame for the newbie and for dolphin as well.

So you see it really DOES matter see more to some people.
houstonlively
Some of you guys are missing the point. I don't think anyone here is so fragile that they can't deal with criticism.

I think that all LightWolf is asking here, is to just put an end to drive by negs. It is one thing to present an opposing viewpoint, but to go around mindlessly slapping a neg on every post in sight, without ever taking the time to present even the slightest argument, is completely useless. I am guilty myself of an occassional driveby, especially on spam posts, but I have never see more done it without at least reading the post first. For those of you that aren't aware of it, you can click on the 'positive votes' and 'negative votes' links in the upper left part of every blog page and investigate this driveby phenomena yourselves. There's a pattern... trust me.

Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with having a voting system on blog posts, but it needs to be fair. I think this one is fixable, but it's not going to get fixed by ignoring it or just telling people not to get mad over negative votes. Negative votes isn't really what this is about. The sooner everybody recognizes that, the sooner we can go about getting it fixed.
LightWolf
Thank you Houston, you said it well my friend. All I'm asking is to have a new way of voting added, not removed. I could just write a blog asking how others are doing and get negative votes..lol Is this how adults act?
DosDawg
great observation, and that is exactly what i have been saying the entire time as well. yes lightwolf, you are correct, the voting system as it is, is not really that bad, its the anonymous votes that are a killer.

i for one have voted negative on some posts, because i didnt believe in what they were saying, and i would post that i disagreed and post my neg vote. then there were other times, that i would post and stay neutral, but voice my opinion, and that is exactly what it was in most cases, see more an opinion.

kudos houston, and lightwolf.

Regards,
DosDawg
tyke
after reading through every post in this blog, and how its left me feeling, i feel im not going to be around here much longer. ive got a thick skin by any standards, and i thought things would change once we got designated moderators,But this site has something about it that gets you down, gets under your skin, does anybody release how horrible it is here and until the moderators start moderating properly then things wont change. we have a blog here that on any other site would have been made to see more be toned down a bit to get the same valid point across, then all that turns into abusing women being second class citizens, stolen 10,000 by an ex moderator guys are a pack of wolfs, female victims and on and on, and all because the discussion was about this voting system. This place will just mess with your head if you stay around here too long, i can see why people do driveby negs, i guess they are just as fed up as i am with the rubbish that goes on here. All this fuss over the voting system, Good God almighty, adults dont care, it means nothing, its all just side tracking because nobody know what this site is for,there is no direction, no purpose, so people just use it to vent off their frustration about any little nonsensical thing.
DosDawg
i totally agree with you on that tyke, the posts ended up very slanted to become a self-righteous profession. i have asked that we tone that down so that such words are not associated with boonex and the blogs.

if you can read that more clearly, you will see exactly what is going on there. text=keywords, keywords=association?

enough said!

Regards,
DosDawg
jtadeo
I like stars. Good idea and it was suggested before.

I wrote about this a couple of months ago here:
http://www.boonex.com/unity/blog/entry/Unity_Community_Suggestion_Just_a_Random_Thought

Some good comments there too. Take what you can from it.

I'm fine with the neg votes but would like to know why sometimes. For example, a few of my tutorials got neg votes along with my book and it got me wondering why. No big deal I figure. Everyone is allowed their own opinion.
this won't be a problem once they get rid of the blog posts in the boonex dolphin 7 based website :-)
Technoman
Ok talking about blogs and Votes

If you guys go to wordpress and continue from the authour who wrote the blog ..
no where is there a voting system on any blog that I have come across, this is the reason why Dolphin Blog *VOTING* karma needs to be removed...

It just causes dramma and like someone said if Newbies see Negative on some of our Blogs and it was actually helpful then they will not ask the questions since we have 20 Negative votes agaisnt us and people will be scared to even comment see more in that specific blog and not trust the authour of this specific blog,
so again this voting system needs to go and then we can work a proper blog system and still be able to have our different oppions and views in a fashionable way with out the Voting Sytem altogether!
houstonlively
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/vote-it-up/

Voting plugins are very common on Wordpress blogs. The Wordpress Vote-it-up plugin has over 15,000 downloads.
Technoman
Its actually a plugin like you mentioned and posted,
but do not forget how many people are actually using wordpress lets say over 1 million at any given time, compared to 15,000 thousand.

Also the blogs that I have seen from wordpress dont have this mod installed so its a choice of oneself, whether to install the plugin or not.

Also at this point in time of the developement of dolphin 7 Andrey did mention there will be a huge change to the blog system, so lets wait and see what Dolphin 7 has see more to offer.
DosDawg
yes we all sit patiently and anxious to see what D7 brings to the table.

although i disagree with you in regards to removing the voting system, because if you go and take a look there is a point system on the forums as well, unless i am just crazy, and that is one of the considerations boonex used when they were issuing licenses the other week. so voting is important, both positive and negative, the problem is that the anonymous votes blow. if you are not doing a reply or writing a post, then see more you should not be able to vote, its simple, no post no vote.

Regards,
DosDawg

Regards,
DosDawg
Technoman
no comment no vote, sounds better, but what if for isntance you have the same person posting a comment to just to give you negative karma and its thesame peopel over and over ... this can go on for ages ...back and forths .. this is real valid reason I prefer to get rid of it totally.

The only good karma I can see working out, is for example in the forums, someone has a question and you answer it to best of your knowledge the best thing can be is to have a Thank you and it posts the thank you see more under your posts ... this is another way of getting a good positive comeback of karma.
DosDawg
technoman, not ignoring you, just had other things going on. ok here is the deal. no post, no vote, how i would envision this working.

users can post to any blog(s) and with that post, they are entitled to one vote per username. how do you curtail a member from creating multi-accounts, well i have thought about this as well. boonex could if they wanted to implement a pruner cron, if the members username, would be created and no domain name registered to the license number, free or otherwise, see more then the username would be pruned after notification, and a short period of time, say something like a confirmation when you join other sites, forums or blogs.


as it is now, a member can only vote one time per comment on here. so that is a good thing. the other positive is that if a person has to comment to be able to vote, that person could be moderated, and warned about continuous negative votes, and if the post didnt present a valid point as to the disagreement, then that post would be moderated, and the negative count would be removed.

i think we need to ponder on this, as i believe it could be refined so that it wouldnt be considered censorship or czar like moderation.

let me know technoman, this could prove to be an interesting topic overall.

Regards,
DosDawg
houstonlively
There's a really quick fix here. All that needs to be done is remove the thumbs located below the main post, and also in the blog listings. That way, the only way to vote is to post a comment.
 
 
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