Suspended Members

LightWolf posted 5th of June 2009 in Community Voice. 23 comments.

It has come to my attention this morning that Boonex has decided to suspend members that break the site rules they have laid out. I understand the reasons behind this move as this site can at times harm people in a few ways. (mentally and financially). But what really gets me is that there are more dangerous people that still are allowed to post on here that have shown they have stolen and lied to alot of us members.

I agree with the method of punishment, but do not agree with who they choose to punish.

If you really want to keep this site productive,start by removing the people that have taken our hard earn money and left us feeling like we should have never ran across this site in the first place. Yes some people do have negative ways of trying to get their points across in the blogs,but their words DO NOT leave are bank account drained. Let's be fair here.

Now this is only my opinon on Boonex rules and consequences, so don't start attacking me, please.

 
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DosDawg
DosDawg•5th of June 2009
 
i would think that depending on the severity of the violation, would determine what would determine a suspension.

i personally refrain from posting derogatory words, (keywords if you would) in order to not have them associated with this site or the boonex name. those of us who understand to some degree in which the big G algorithm works, we have an understanding that textual content is the most powerful entity on a website, and that textual content dispursed across a websites pages are indexed, see more and the association becomes apparent across the search engines specifically the big G.

i have no idea who would have been wrongly suspended, and you are correct, there are others who warrant suspension, im sure the admins of boonex are looking into that as part of the big cleanup.

Regards,
DosDawg
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tyke
tyke•5th of June 2009
 
Hi lightwolf. I understand more now about why you are posting this, and under the circumstances i do agree with you. The thing is, when a site starts changing the rules, or becomes more rigid to sticking to the rules for the good of all, then i think each case has to be taken on its own merits of the behaviour of members at the time. I really dont think you can look back into the past and work out what member did what and when. It's fortunate for some, that have seemingly got away with something see more in the past, but you have to draw a line somewhere,and say, " this is where we start from" and take it from then. If any member is know to be a bit shifty, then the next time they try something (whatever that might be) then thats when they are dealt with.
Like i said, i do understand where you are coming from with this and you will probably feel the unfairness of it, but to start raking through the past would be a little like a witch hunt, which in all fairness, you cant really do.

regards

tyke
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LightWolf
LightWolf•5th of June 2009•to tyke
 
All i can say to this hon is "A Leopard Never Changes It's Spots"
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LightWolf
LightWolf•5th of June 2009
 
Thanks DeeEmm for that vote..hmmm..lol
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DeeEmm
DeeEmm•5th of June 2009•to LightWolf
 
I disagree with call of unfairness - the suspension(s) are for good reason - that has been plain to see for anyone who frequents this site, and whilst others may well deserve to also be suspended or banned - for the reasons you stated - there are correct channels for dealing with those kind of accusations / situations.

It sounds more like a legal matter than a social one to me.
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LightWolf
LightWolf•5th of June 2009•to LightWolf
 
So we allow those who steal or have stolen from members in the passed to be allowed to have access to same place crimes started and leave to attorneys? That sounds like just slapping ones hands and saying we trust you again not to steal from our members. Sorry i see no logic in this at all.

I'm not sure how long you have been on this site hon, but i have been here since 2007 and i have seen and heard a LOT of sad story's of theft and lies to members. And yes Boonex is trying to clean this site see more up,but what part of this site. Just the blogs? What about the ones who took peoples money or crashed their website...ect... why are they allowed to still have accounts and post in blogs? Let's not just say the past is the past cause sometimes the past can come back and haunt you.
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DeeEmm
DeeEmm•5th of June 2009•to LightWolf
 
I too have complained in my blog about the scammers and the negative image it creates for the site, it is something that definitely needs to be addressed. This is readily apparent no matter how long you have been a member.

At the end of the day this is just a website - the only thing it really serves to do is to act as a platform for communication. Theft is a 'Real World' issue - one that needs to be deal with in the proper manner - ie - with police. The police have the correct tools to deal with see more these things - tools commonly referred to as the law. Account suspension is not the right way.

It is not Boonex's responsibility to act on hearsay - they would be foolish to do so, I do think that it would be a good move to suspend / remove accounts for members that have proven to be acting illegally on / via the site - but this would obviously require proof of a conviction or a trust in the person making the accusations, at the end of the day is only a courtesy - not a requirement (unless forced by court injuction).

I have been in a similar situation on a site that I run, where a vendor had been accused of taking orders but not delivering - it was a difficult situation to deal with. I ended up suspending the account and removing advertisements - this was largely based on the fact that I could trust the accusers opinion, and that there were several reports.

I will say that this situation is actually a LOT more difficult to deal with here - mostly because of the melodrama associated with the accusations - it reminds me of the boy who cried wolf - There's too much background noise to be able to distinguish fact from fiction.

ZenTens answer a few posts down is very eloquently put, and echo's my thought's on this.

Just out of interest, are you talking from personal experience when you are mentioning theft?
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DeeEmm
DeeEmm•5th of June 2009
 
"Now this is only my opinon on Boonex rules and consequences, so don't start attacking me, please."

I think part of the reason for the new rules and consequent suspensions are exactly for this reason - there has been too many 'attacks' on both users and Boonex. Hopefully this will now stop. It certainly seems to have been a lot quieter around here the past day or so - so hopefully it's working.

DM
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DosDawg
DosDawg•5th of June 2009•to DeeEmm
 
see moreDeeEmm,
nobody is going to attack you. we are all working hard to keep this a positive community, where are all benefitting from the posts and the communication shared amongst the dolphin suite users. your post was very welcome.

rules are rules, and those rule changes were posted and stated clearly. those who opted to continue declarations which were in violation, made a coherent choice, and were well aware of the repercussions.

and it has been drama free for the past couple of days now.

Regards,
DosDawg
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DeeEmm
DeeEmm•5th of June 2009•to DeeEmm
 
LOL - I was just quoting the OP - there's no quote feature here.
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mallorca
mallorca•5th of June 2009•to DeeEmm
 
Thats the truth ...

"It certainly seems to have been a lot quieter around here the past day or so..."
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Juker
Juker•5th of June 2009
 
Dear Folks,

This situation has been rough on everyone. - If I have offended anyone then I pray you will accept my apology. I wish I could say that I have been a perfect angel through all of this but I haven't.

This moment in time is a turning point for all of us.
It's always sobering when justice is servred.

Juker
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LightWolf
LightWolf•5th of June 2009•to Juker
 
Does this mean NO more drive bys for you from now on juker? Agree or Disagree with the blog not the person..Yes?
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Juker
Juker•5th of June 2009•to Juker
 
You got it Dude. It's thumbs up from now on!

Peace
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DosDawg
DosDawg•5th of June 2009•to Juker
 
juker, nobody would like to have thumbs up all the time either, if you disagree with a post, disagree with the post, not the person, its ok to disagree, for that matter i have from time to time disagreed with myself. :)

Regards,
DosDawg
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LightWolf
LightWolf•5th of June 2009
 
Yes exactly DosDawg and by the way juker i am not a dude hon i am a female..lol People see the name and think Guy.
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mastermindsro
mastermindsro•5th of June 2009
 
there is no "constitution" without punishment (only in anarchy maybe).. so thumb up.. finally I must say..
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TenZens•5th of June 2009
 
Reason why Boonex can make unilateral decisions about postings/comments here and not on purchase disputes is simple: the former can be adjudicated quickly using the established rules and given that the posts/comments are in plain view by everyone, from the start to the end).

The latter, on the other hand, are in "he said, she said" world as they are commercial transactions between the parties, conducted predominantly in private. Boonex can "see" the financial exchange being see more completed on its site but what happens after that (did s/he do this or not? who said what, when? etc) are completely off the Boonex radar screen. In that case, how can Boonex be expected to be judge and jury over these disputes?

Having said that, I don't understand why Boonex makes its own sites available to facilitate these third-party commercial transactions, given that it does not make any effort to ensure/monitor that the vendors and the products/services offered are fully legit.

Also, sorry Lightwolf, but I do not necessarily agree that flaming/disrespecting (many, many) people is inherently less evil than "running away with people's money" (which, by the way, remains an allegation unless fully and fairly adjudicated). They both deserve to be dealt with.
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TenZens•5th of June 2009
 
Reason why Boonex can make unilateral decisions about postings/comments here and not on purchase disputes is simple: the former can be adjudicated quickly using the established rules and given that the posts/comments are in plain view by everyone, from the start to the end.

The latter, on the other hand, are in "he said, she said" world as they are commercial transactions between the parties, conducted predominantly in private. Boonex can "see" the financial exchange being see more completed on its site but what happens after that (did s/he do this or not? who said what, when? etc) are completely off the Boonex radar screen. In that case, how can Boonex be expected to be judge and jury over these disputes?

Having said that, I don't understand why Boonex makes its own sites available to facilitate these third-party commercial transactions, given that it does not make any effort to ensure/monitor that the vendors and the products/services offered are fully legit.

Also, sorry Lightwolf, but I do not necessarily agree that flaming/disrespecting (many, many) people is inherently less evil than "running away with people's money" (which, by the way, remains an allegation unless fully and fairly adjudicated). They both deserve to be dealt with.
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LightWolf
LightWolf•6th of June 2009
 
Well TenZens everyone has the God given right to agree or disagree, and i respect your right to disagree with me, i hope all will return the favor to my opinions as well.
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Tallyplayer
Tallyplayer•6th of June 2009
 
As to the negative or positive votes, I would like to see if possible that a vote requires a comment. That would stop the drivebys and I believe if you have input positive or negative you should type it, as long as it is on the topic and not the poster, this is how you grow and develop.
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LightWolf
LightWolf•6th of June 2009•to Tallyplayer
 
That's exactly what i was saying before hon, we need to have to make a comment about our vote before we can vote at all.
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