Music and Video Categories. Your opinion is needed!

VictorT posted 30th of July 2008 in . 58 comments.

While working on the next set of versions we've found ourselves stuck on a few small issues. We really need your feedback to resolve those adequately.

Many of you have asked for the "must have" feature "Categories" in Ray Music and Video widgets integrated with Dolphin. It was asked for many times but there is no satisfactory answer on how it should be performed and incorporated.

So, we need your help in order to make this clear. Please leave your opinions, ideas and thoughts below in comments.

 
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AndreyP
Good idea :)
I have it into my mind as:
1. Admin side (better PHP to possible change sources): - create category/subcategory for video/audio/photos
2. User side: our ray upload SWF can able to load this categories into another one (new) combo box, after uploading - this category automatically assigned
Hope that this is right way
sammie
i think the option should be like ray games, where you can add Categories i.e card games, shooting games, and so on, as admin you select where to put the game from a drop down.

with the music and video, i feel the admin sets the Categories and the user is allowed to select what one from the drop down menu. and use a Default for any that forget to choose a Category or it does not fit in any on the ones listed.

i am also a little worried about the "chicks for free" missing, this was see more left out in error? or by choice?

and a bug i reported, while logged into my adfree site i see no Dolphin footers, but as soon as i logout, the footers are on my site.

clearly this is a bug, and i am almost sure it has something to do with the 6.1.3 patch but not sure how logging out would make them appear and logging in would make them disappear
AndreyP
Sammie, Ray games not Boonex`s product, this is commercial product of Rayz, are Boonex must buy all copiright to this? :) or steal? ..
Seems that only Rayz can decide how realize this
sammie
i think you missed the point, its not stealing the idea, you are writing it to your rays, not taking it directly from his. lol

its like cars, you can not paint one car one colour and expect all other car makers not to use that colour,

you asked for ideas, i gave an example, how you write it is your own code, not rays.

you are saying no-one can use a drop down but the 1st ever person that used a drop down lol thats silly.

you write it in your own style,. thats not stealing copyright, thats see more your own code.
davidetome
"Chicks for free" missing is not good for me to.
I'd like to have it again :-)
Thanks
gregorscharff
i agree with Andrey and Sammie also its so help for our Artproject to give the Artists the choice where they select a Category (oil,watercolor etc.)
i hope it will be able in the next version .
thanks
theGhost
Any MEDIA customization should be expanded in the Admin --> Content Section and should build off of the Moderation Feature(s) which could also tie into Membership Levels. Providing control<-- At least from the Admin Side

--> Community Members should partcipate off of those levels,actions, preset MAIN/SUB category tree while having "basic" / "media albums" / controls in the SWF.

For instance: Upload Music to ROCK Category which either (MembershipLevels/Action) see more can be customize to ROCK --> subCat --> "Jonny'sRockBand Jams" or if no customized option is available then the folder which is created defaults to "Members Profile Name" I.e Jonny'sRockBandPage if they can NOT create a subfolder then it is place in the assigned subCAT which was identified in the ADMIN as a general MEDIA community folder.

This also might allow for creating "FEATURED" media which might be added as a tab in the BLOCKS.

Just some thoughts hope they spark some magic :)
luveOne
AndreyP and Sammie are on to something here... I was about to write an email to Boonex about this. The Video and Music feature to Dolphin is basic. The Music & Video functions of Dolphin should be more of an all-in-1 Gallery where site members could search for videos, music and pictures. Currently there no search functionality within the video and music section of dolphin, so this would be a great addition. This feature should also permit members to search gallery for media which they could then see more add to their profile. This would help site admin to keep the content of their site as clean as possible as well as help in keeping web resource intact; members then have the ability to add as much media content to their profile (Example music from gallery as a playlist).The admin panel should permit site admin to upload media as well.
luveOne
The breakdown:
Combine Video, Music and Pictures into one gallery…..
Add search functionality: Example (Search for Video, Music, and Pictures): Search by Genre, Artist etc…
On upload, Give User the option to add information about the file they are uploading.
Give admin the ability to upload media content to the site, whereby site members could use these media in their profile.
Give users the option to have a profile video.
How about tag info for media within the gallery…would it be see more possible to add tags for the artist and so forth. Artist pics..
sammie
can we get a list of what 5 you guys chose to build from the huge list?
unlimeet
We did like it on our website.
When you upload a file, you can choose a category in a list that the admin did throught admin.
Then you can change category by clicking on edit of course.
We add too a new menu mane category who help user to look for a media.
Website will be lauch end of week in beta, i will profide the url.
VictorT
Thanks to all for participating. Good ideas.

Waiting for some more.
killerhaai
I think that one of the most wanted options for most of us is, that standard photo-video-music albums-subalbums is needed. For a dating site maby not so strong as for a Social networking site.

I have now buy and installed 4 mods to do that... Including advaged profile editing and Private photo albums. If this is standard then you have a very good package!!!

I use the free 6.1.2 version and have no problems. :)

Thanks.
HikeMaster
I hope that two of the new features are also Photo Galleries and Multiple File Upload for Photos. These are two features that are sorely, sorely lacking for a social site. Lack of these features drives people away, especially when the giants like MySpace have such wonderful upload widgets which can upload many photos simultaneously to existing galleries, or you can even tell it to create a new gallery prior to upload, and it displays a progress bar as well. I had to purchase mods to take care see more of this for my site, but they are not great like the widget I mentioned, only passable.
umeshtmi1
Hi all. I think for music, admin might just be able to define some categories. But, if he has to define categories for videos, then there will be just too many. What I think should work in that case is tagging. These tags will be search able & also as you type in the search box, you will have tag suggestions popping down. Just like yahoo search engine.
Same way, as you upload your media & start entering your tags, the tag suggestions from already existing tags will start popping down. see more This might just avoid repetitions.
Also admin will be able to view all the tags all via admin section & moderate or alter if required.
Let me know what you all think of this ok.
luveOne
I love the sound of that..+1
MichelSwiss
The most annoying think with Media galleries is that:

- when a member is browing a profile and clicking in the submenu "Photos/Music or Video Gallery" he/she is kicking out of the profile he/she was browsing :-(
That's a real problem... The member who is browsing a profile is thinking that he/she will see the Photos/Music/Video gallery of the profile he/she is browsing.

To solve this problem is much more important than categories...

I'm using Aramis's mod Media Category since see more a while and most of my members don't select any category. If they do, this is often the first one, which is wrong of course :-))
ubuntuwu
hey..how about photo albums ,Victor??

i'm waitting for this for a long time..

it need to have multi-uploader too!!!..just like facebook photo albums!!
ubuntuwu
photo albums basic idea:
1.members will need to create his own photo albums first to upload any photo (admin can set how many albums member can create and how many photoes in each album on admin panel.)

2.each photo can have photo "descrition", "vote" and "comments" and "total views" and "today views",member can set up what's the main cover photo of this album.

3.on admin panel can set photo width, height,suspend,edit,delete..

4.need to see more have two way to upload photos..A.just like ur "Improved Events 2.0 - multiuploader for photos" B.member can just point to one folder,all photo on that folder will upload all..

5.member can use his photos to create his own slide show,just like slide.com.
AndreyP
Yesterday I begin this realization, and will good if I finish it before my vacation :)
gkcgautam
Andrey that wud be great! Thanks a ton!
emaguire
We should have the ability to allow Admin only categories and an option if the admin wants to all users to create them.
sanalbaykus
- Should have subcategories of video music and photos.
- Ability to preserve aspect ratio of the video files while converting and playing also..
- Can you put a checkbox in video admin area to disable converting mpg file.
DosDawg
yes, i think if you are uploading media, it should most definetly be in a category. this just sets a standard for better structure across the site as a whole.

later,
DosDawg
chitro
How about the ability to import/display all albums from a standard site like Flickr or Picasa. If the member has already uploaded pictures there, he/she will not be inclined to upload indiv pictures again by clicking on them. In this way, the millions of users with foto site accounts can become our customer easily.
escapod
Agreed. Allow member of other sites to easily bring in or point to their externally-stored archives (the biggest, the standards), then offer a local solution for those who don't have them.
jackedLi
Subcategory for video music and photos is very important.

Allow multi-categories insertion. For example, music could go into many categories when added.

Maybe have access control at admin end that allow registered user or public access.

Keep up the awesome guys!! Thanks
gkcgautam
Agree with all. Categories are must. They should be controlled via admin panel. Strong admin control in admin panel should be provided. Admin should be able to do all the required actions as mentioned in above comments.
.
Sub categories are not necessary. Instedad we should also have tags for videos and so a search option. And the search should also have the option to search with tags in a particular category.
.
And what about youtube videos? Please also add a feature to add youtube videos with see more youtube url.
tomakali
Quit Ray+Flash project
and make something light and Search engine searchable [Maybe Ajax]

Do some alternative developments

1.Chat

1.Google Live chat
http://www.lively.com/rl
2.Try Googletalk like popin window chat
3.give options to login to IM networks
4.Allow general Room chat for all IM network users too

2.Videos

1.Overall - Follow youtube in categorization[Best]
2.Players dont work in mixed versions[Linux,Firefox,konqueror,etc]
3.embed share options and RSS-this-page option

3.Music

1.Replace see more with better player with more controls
2.allow to add FM stations
3.allow to share playlist of other users

4.dolphin.jar/jad

1.Hope youd better develop a Nimbuzzz clone for dolphin

Regards,
David
www.tomakali.net
D6.1,B-RMS
dolphin_jay
I think if you went the route Rayz uses for his apps that would be just fine. Have the admin create the cats in the admin panel then when a user uploads a picture,mp3, or video to there profile or common area they just choose from a drop down list what cat to store it in... just my two cents.
xoxexy
victor... stop the runaround... you know the gallery feature is a NEED, not a want.

=]
djmistah
I agree with gkcgautam,I think it should be controlled by the admin,it would be perfect when the users can choose the catorgory,or subcatogory they want to upload their media too,also the hot or not,I think their should be male and female choice. Also,whats a REALLY hot feature that I think should be added,is the watermark for all media.

With the artist side,I think it should be set up also in a unique way,like having a chart system,the most plays a artist get in a catogory rises up to the top see more of the charts,you know? Like a 1 through 10th place type of deal.

It would look so perfect if it can be set up.
LeonidS
Hello everyone!

As you can see here we asking about 'Music and Video Categories'. So plz don't post here your other wishes.

Regards
Herbert
Video and music categories are important. Members should have possibility to create and make the music and video categories and files total private, partly private (visible only to friends, by invitation or request) or public. Those features should be availabkle for all media (for photos and document uploades too - as soon available), the profile itself and profile data.
escapod
Agreed. Plus, to be competitive Dolphin really needs to adopt a privacy model where users control what "classifications" of friends see what. Facebook is kicking our butts!
arcade
I propose a good developers guide and better source code doc to further go on developing and integrating new features easier. Then the output optimization. It should be possible to select the encoding and http-header data by the admin.
Sorry for posting other wishes, LeonidS
cgweaver
Wouldn't "Genre" be a better sort of classification for music and video items than categories... Just a thought I guess... as there is pretty much already an accepted list of music (rap, soul, ska, rock... ) and movie (sci-fi, horror, porn, drama, ...). The two parenthesized lists are by no means exaustive of course... anyway.. the lists of these 'genres' could be implemented as standard installed database tables allready populated... the only sub-categorization I can think of is mabye see more "licensed", "unlicensed", "self licensed" ........ again.. just my ideas... and my apologies if I have duplicated thoughts allready played out in the long list of previous posts (when this thought struck me .. i didn't want to loose it so I jumped here to the post box... )
yasset
i think is good but ,this time you guys got make all like ..options...if i like or not ....i disable...
There is 4 mod i think you can put in your next scrip upgrade:

1-browse botom in the to of the web site..this is good when you got 1000 videos need find somthing just ...write and looking for.
2-setion in admin for change random or top,last ....for video,photo,music
when is random..bring more user to see all videos....same for gallerys.music.photo.video....but this like option to..
3-when see more you see i video in the righ hand ..there is a box."Latest files from this user" this not good i think is betters to botom "Related Videos and Random from User".random video is good for new user see stuff ..becouse gonna see new videos everytime.
4-a option for create my profile like my space..css..this options if you put is good to.Or make like the own users can change all...color letters.background."theres is a toy call costumized profile"..some like this
5-Articles there is a mod..call super articles...the user see articles with pic ...and this is good check.that mods
6-when you touch member login...go to popup new little windoms..ok when you do this see video ....not good becouse the little windoms is in the video to..

7-this is the best....i dont like the video..compression..
when i got this video around 40 mb
and upload in the high video ....the video go to 120 mb"crazy long video"
second problem..upload poor video quality the video go to 9mb"good space but bad bad video quality....you have to find any way for just up video more quality and save space to ...or make more ocptions with % 70 or 50 or 25...like botoms for ray..

8-more ocptions for member ship....and more options for moderators to.
i need more admin to help the master admin to work in the dolphin scritp


i think dolhin is the best scritp...but this 8 stuff..make better this scritp...and is in your hand..

i buy mod for all this ..in express..but i think ..you guys can put in the scritp.

thank for this great script
advertik
Hi,

What I think - it should be very native to user.

VIDEO:
Most of users are familiar with youtube, so why not implementing something similar for videos? However Videos are not really essential, and could be just as they are now

PHOTOS
What about flickr ? Everyone uses it , and categorization is just fine ! . And its not the matter of categories for pictures, but I would say users want creating ALBUMS!!! not just placing pictures in categories... I'm missing this feature (as well as see more my users) since I changed the script to Dolphin one year ago. Take a look at AbleDate script (Please delete the name if you think that this was an advertising:) This was just enough for my users to enjoy pics sharing. However I had to redesign all the interface.

So think about it ! ALBUMS , not basic CATEGORIES .
ferobert
I agree that categories are needed for all uploaded media, to better structure content. Only the admin should define the category list, but users may be allowed to suggest a category.

While you are at modifying the Flash script, can't you make this more general and incorporate a mini builder? Besides categories, I would also like to add in the countries list. Others may like to add in even a city field, or something else. If you think the amount of work for this is not justified, how can we add see more in extra fields for our own sites?

Thanks and regards,
Robert
arcade
Additionaly the posibility to bind a category to a membership. If gold members upload files to category X, only gold members shoud be able to view this upload in category X. Other way is to make categories visible for different memberships, adding some kind of action "can see category X" in the memactions.... how about this?
Dawitt
I'm not sure if this has been noted yet (or if I haven't figged it out myself...)
how about the ability to show the artwork associated with .mp3 files? Instead of the blue musical note and just the song name in the player....
nice work tho...
escapod
1. Adopt MPEG4 if you can. I really like this quality and speed for video – and it's more than video, it's object oriented so able to use any forward compatible codecs and optimize according to the data type.
2. I agree, let's make user migration simple and fast, but allowing new users to bring their photos, videos, documents, etc. from other platforms (i.e. Flickr, Picaso, YouTube, Google)
– This goes for friends lists: import from contact book, bulk invite friends
3. I agree, Albums, Groups...just see more follow the iTunes model so it's familiar and compatible with the standard
luveOne
AndreyP and Sammie are on to something here... I was about to write an email to Boonex about this. The Video and Music feature to Dolphin is basic. The Music & Video functions of Dolphin should be more of an all-in-1 Gallery where site members could search for videos, music and pictures. Currently there no search functionality within the video and music section of dolphin, so this would be a great addition. This feature should also permit members to search gallery for media which they could then see more add to their profile. This would help site admin to keep the content of their site as clean as possible as well as help in keeping web resource intact; members then have the ability to add as much media content to their profile (Example music from gallery as a playlist).The admin panel should permit site admin to upload media as well.
luveOne
The breakdown:
Combine Video, Music and Pictures into one gallery…..
Add search functionality: Example (Search for Video, Music, and Pictures): Search by Genre, Artist etc…
On upload, Give User the option to add information about the file they are uploading.
Give admin the ability to upload media content to the site, whereby site members could use these media in their profile.
Give users the option to have a profile video.
How about tag info for media within the gallery…would it be possible see more to add tags for the artist and so forth. Artist pics..
ventos
Hi All ,
I am able to add category for Photos it is not too difficult .Problem is to add categories for Videos ,because the form you have to fill up before you want to upload any video is FLASH form compilled to SWF and I need source file (.fla ) for file holder_free.swf to be able to add selector into the form for categories .I have checked SQL databese for video files and there is already collum with name CategoryID so it is mean that the developer probably wanted add the categories also php see more file which is care about recording data to database has code for categories .In my opinion Dolphin is very nice done comunity script but caterories for videos and photos is what I miss there and this is the reason why I probably will not use this script for my server .I have installed Dolphin just yesterday so maybe I am wrong.Will see :)
danielmarseille
hello,

it would be nice to have videos recorded with recorder (ray)

in a block on profile - as for video download

daniel
clark2
I know that it slightly off the subject, but in addition to the NEED for categories for music, here are a few other things that I think that the script could use:

--The rating system should be more robust. Instead of there just being a 'star' system, specific attributes should be rateable, also.

For instance, take a look at Magento's review system: http://www.magentocommerce.com/media/screencasts/ratings-and-reviews/view (specifically around 0:57). Of course, the sub-ratings should be named see more by the uploader.
Ex.: Overall Rating: ***; Sound Quality: ****; Commercial Appeal: **; Energy: ****; Danceable: ****; etc.

I think the IDEAL example of most everything, including categories, rating systems, etc. should be borrowed from

http://www.randommouse.com


The 'Comparison Engine,' 'Tiled Reviews,' 'Custom Review Fields' and similar functionality to Magento (various reviewing methods/fields) is great. If I could, I'd just port the program to Dolphin, but it's in Perl.

This is how it should be done (Randommouse examples):

http://www.earlyvegas.com/clubs/index.html

http://www.earlyvegas.com/cgi-bin/rs/redqueen/do/redqueen.cgi?module=item&item_id=57&category_id=3

No, I don't work for a software company.)

I'd also like for the music/video player to have the option to just stream or stream and download based upon the user's membership status/package.
clark2
Someone said something about this earlier, but more stats and charts should be posted on the video/audio and front pages. A modded version of Rayzz (different script--Agriya) does this pretty well.

Ex.:

http://rayzztemplates.com/rayzz21/


I'd REALLY like to have different Billboard-style charts for the front page or its own page in different categories and genres, able to be placed on the front or main audio/video pages.

Ex.:

Top 10 Downloads; Top 10 Streams; Top 10 Rated; Top 10 see more Rated (in specific category); etc. It's also be nice if there was a separate page for members' own made-up charts.
clark2
see moreI don't mean to be lengthy, but it be GREAT if you'd also

1) Add a column for ID3 tag info. in the player;

2) Place a section to add tag (mp3-ID3) info. while uploading audio/video files(could decide to make mandatory or not).

3) A tag editor (ID3, etc.)

PHP and Flash have functions for reading/writing ID3 tags.


Here are some useful links:

http://php.mirrors.ilisys.com.au/manual/en/ref.id3.php
http://sourceforge.net/projects/getid3/


http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=393349
http://www.go4expert.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267
http://www.kennybellew.com/tutorial/mp3_tag.htm
cosmobc
I would do this in a similar way than the classfield ads are categorized, that is having some default categories and letting the admin adding some more.

Keeping it simple would make it easier for everyone!
bryanthelms
I think the ability to add some form of separation for all media needs to be added. Let the admin determine what to call it. Let the categories be left completely up to the admin. This is one of the major things I am looking for in my site.
oceesay
I think we do need categories, but it should be left to the admin. We also need photo albums
 
 
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