Dolphin 7.0 (Hookie) Beta 4 ... what ?

Technoman posted 16th of August 2009 in Community Voice. 41 comments.

Milestone Dolphin 7.0 (Hookie) Beta 4 (38% completed) ???

 

http://www.boonex.com/trac/dolphin/milestone/Dolphin%207.0%20%28Hookie%29%20Beta%204

 

Boonex there seems to be more active tickets then closed tickets and why ?

 

Boonex Shouldnt we have already been heading into the FInal NOW!

Closed tickets:
30
Active tickets:
48

Those tickets were as of today august 16, 2009

 

What this means is were going to keep going threw beta after beta as it seems until Dolphin-8 , under the impression I got this was supposed to be finnsihed in JULY ?

 

Can we have at  least some dates and approx month when this could or will be finnshed instead of just letting us hang here like lost puppy dogs!

 

To top things off I have never seen this where 1version gets 3 Beta's or more in a row altogether ?

Example. 6.0b1 6.0b2, 6.0b3 etc ....

 

 
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Rappi
And why are bugs in the b3, that not in the b2?????
DeeEmm
YAWN.!

Technodude - if you don't understand software release cycles - please try Google or Wikipedia.

DM.
CodeSatori
I've seen enough software go into beta4, and then to RC3, before release... Needless to say, in spite of all benefits it brings, the long version of the dev cycle takes forever!
Technoman
Your both missing my point,

I am asking for approx date so me and others have and idea when we can all prepare ourselves for this time.

I have also said in other also words that we never have waited this long for a Final release
Ruud
As long as they don't gave a date, they can't really "disappoint" anybody..

Also that you didn't wait this long for the last version, doesn't mean that you will wait that long for this version..

Did you now that Google Mail was in beta for about 5 years??

I think beta 4 will be the last beta, looking at all the bugs found and reported. I also think that the first month of the final release a lot of small updates will be released (for the "un"-found bugs)

Gr.
Ruud
Technoman
Your comparing google which is free

Dolphin is NOT free !!!!

We all pay something to host Dolphin!
wolf2217
@ Technoman: This is just my personal opinion on having to wait longer than previous versions.
I think there are a couple of reasons for the long wait.
1) A total redesign of dolphin 7 and the design of the module system and how it intergrates into your admin panel.
2) In previous versions there were alot less features added and were more bugged than they're hoping in this version.
With more AJAX and Javascript functionality being used in this version may take a little more time.

I think over see more all the community is getting together and reporting as many bugs as possible and looking at as much detail as possible which includes typos.
With the boonex community in general getting larger there's that many more different hosting environments that are operating beta 3 yet requirements enabled/disabled may be a little bit different.
I have beta 3 installed on 2 domains so i test on both of those than on demozzz.com/dolphin7a.

Anywho sorry for the long comment book, i'll stop here.
Remember, this is my personal opinion to your last question :)

wolf2217
Technoman
Well put it this way,

I am putting this as an example:

Everyone buys the new ford 6.1.6 ATX 2009

there is a recall on all headlights after a few months so all 6.1.6 ATX have to be returned .... We had broadcasted this over the Internet and told all of our clients on the net to bring in there 6.1.6 ATX cause there is a recall and then change our minds and tell people to wait ...........

Do you honeslty think people will wait after spending this kinda of money ???????????????

There see more would be lawsuits of all kinds
houstonlively
Gee Technoboy..... you sure told them. You really got those Boonex guys working their asses off now. They closed 15 tickets since you posted this!
Technoman
LyubovL

Im getting sick and tired of you putting thumbs down on all my posts at boonex, you got a problem with me then why dont you say something to me LyubovL ?
DosDawg
tsk tsk, techno, since votes are anonymous, how do you know its Lyubov? i would think she has way more important things to do with her time, than to sit around and wait for you to post so she can give you a negative thumbs.

as for the wait on the RC, all good things in DUE TIME. you obviously do not drink wine or scotch, both of which take years to be perfected with age.

just a short excerpt that you can liken to a development schema on software;

Aging begins early, during maceration and see more fermentation. The tannic compounds join up with each other, as well as with the pigment molecules, to form long polymers. In the vat, the wine is exposed to a lot of oxygen, so initially, this process happens quite quickly. In the bottle, the tannins absorb any oxygen in the wine and headspace (that is, the air in the bottleneck). Once the oxygen is gone, the process becomes anaerobic and slows considerably. Varietal compounds interact with each other and with any oak compounds gained during fermentation and barrel aging. Polymers continue to form, eventually settling out of the wine and turning the tannins from bitter to silky. The colour of the wine changes from purple or ruby to brick-red, and the flavours and aromas deepen in complexity.

regards,
DosDawg
Technoman
sorry but I know and when I see the Live Tracker and then her viewing my blog and then my blog gets a negative what would you think and also her name is 1 of them who voted thumbs down and she has not even commented!

Have we not gone threw this before, if you give a thumbs down to give reason on why like most do now adays! I cant stand it anymore when people come by and shoot you a negative and not say a bloody word for why they did it ???
Technoman
plus " LyubovL "

I was here way before her and funny thing is she was introduced to all of us back then on wordpress and all of a sudden became a Admin of this site and I have never seen her do anything on here except telling us to vote for Boonex at sourceforge and wishing other Admins happy birthday's!

I spell " unprofessionism " towards Boonex, having LyubovL going around giving a thumbs down on members blogs and posts!

Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo ????????
houstonlively
Yo....Dawg......Votes are not anonymous.
Technoman
Your right Houstonlively, I see that there starting to fix more and more Tickets over at the trac.
Is this good news or bad ...

ALL I hope is that the projects that are in the tracking arent just being marked fixxed when there not.
Technoman
Update

Dolphin 7.0 (Hookie) Beta 4


Closed tickets: 67
Active tickets: 24

since I posted this blog there has been

37 more closed ( more then half have been solved )
24 less active ( half left )

Im paying very close attention over the next few days on the tracking!

It looks to me that there playing around, I really think there just closing tickets to shut us up and to make it look like there doing work in the back end.

We will just wait and see what happens over the next see more several days.
mastermindsro
You must know that the trac is not updated "live", they sometimes close an entire list of tickets when times allows them to do so.. if a ticket is still open that doesn't mean it is still unfixed..
mastermindsro
Come one guys aren't you tired of fighting each other?.. and for what?
I personally prefer a Dolphin as bug free as possible, I don't want my website when I go live to be hacked, broken, crashed etc. in one word - buggy.. so I prefer to wait just a little more and try to contribute and speed up the process as much as my time allows..
So let's stop fighting and help finish the job as fast as possible.. fighting is not the best way to hurry things up..
Technoman
matermind,
bro nobody is fighting here, no worries ....

(mastermind you quoted ?)
"if a ticket is still open that doesn't mean it is still unfixed"

very shocked that they would allow this to happen ... your saying even if a ticket is sitting there in the trac it means it could of been already fixxed ?

this doesnt make any sence then, why would then dolphin have a tracing system if they dont maintain what needs to be fixxed and not ?
LyubovL
Yes, I voted for this post, but I think it's strange that you react so painfully to the negative votes you receive. Maybe you finally can tell us, what is the main idea of all your posts about the old ideas described on BoonEx.org about your upsets and regrets, and so on, and so on. Do you really believe that I must respond to your strange letters about the bad karma, and so on? As a professional, I'm tolerant of the remarks you address to me, and as a professional I know how much you actually paid see more for all the licenses you have... and as a professional, I POLITELY ask you, STOP complaining and crying. This won't force the release date at all.

If you really feel that you are able to help us to contribute something, there is the Trac, and if you can write at least a short manual on how to open admin panel and register the Dolphin license code, we would appreciate it.

Best Regards, Lyubov L.
Technoman
No its not about recieving negative votes that are painful, I thought that we as a community already discussed this topic, you being the Admin is not showing a good sign when all you did was vote thumbs down and not say a flipping word why you did that!

If your going to comment on someones blog with a thumbs up or thumbs down it would be more respectful to leave a comment in the blog that you voted for not just thumbs up or thumbs down and leave with out comenting!

You out of all people should see more know the topics we have already discusded on here as you have been around this for awile like myself.

The sad thing is that I have only seen you post BIRTHDAY WISHES to other Admins on here & giving thumbs down on peoples blogs ..

What about my Birthday and other members birthdays, shouldnt we all wish one another birthday wishes or is it just you and the admins on here that are allowed ??????

Honeslty, what have you really done for this community, to deserve admin ... please tell me ???

I have done a HELL of lot more on helping people on here then what you ever have done, so the next time your going to thumbs down on me come and talk to me instead of running off like you did for a few days.

what you said
(LyubovL= quote on quote )
I know how much you actually paid for all the licenses you have...

Really how much I have paid for all my licenses, my Licenses for your INOFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO ME FREE FROM ANDREY!
well what are trying to say that when I recieved my Contributor License you want to take this away from me ??????
buckmcgoo
What has she done to deserve admin? SHE WORKS FOR BOONEX! She is an admin because she works here. About members birthdays who cares?? How would she even know your birthday?
Not the best way to address a customer / member ..

Agree to disagree, I understand his point, it is valid and your point is also valid. In recent past (this year) there has been alot of fighting on worest topics that had nothing to do with Dolphin, a kind reminder this post is a concern, not a cause of concern. :)
buckmcgoo
Normally I would agree with you but this guy is nuts. His posts never make sense and most of them are articles he has cut and pasted from other sites. If he is going to constantly accuse the staff of stuff and talk about how much the software sucks then he should expect to piss them off.
Technoman
buckaroo

You got a problem with me talk to me in Private,

if you got nothing to say good dont say anything, go talk to LyubovL

seems you and her have alot in commen ..
everytime shes votes thumbs down on me so do you ..

I wonder if your the same person, plus your another one that I have never seen do anything for Boonex!

Anyways if you respond to this I wont answer to your stupid remarks!
buckmcgoo
I don't have a problem with you, you are mentally ill. Hopefully you will get help someday and get put on the proper medication. I haven't done anything for Boonex.. but neither have you. Unless you count constantly posting insults and rants on their forum.
tyke
[quote]very shocked that they would allow this to happen ... your saying even if a ticket is sitting there in the trac it means it could of been already fixxed ?[/quote]

Im surprised at that statement, you seem like a bright guy, so you must have heard of time management... If you have 40 tickets open, you arent going to just come in, pick one up, fix that, come back stick fixed on the ticket then get another one. what you do is pick up a bunch, and work your way through that lot,some will be see more easy to track down, others will take a little longer, when you've done that lot, you come back, stick fixed on the ones you've done and pick up a load more. So its very normal i think to have tickets saying opened but still fixed. Makes perfect sense to me, and im surprised it doesn't to you too. I really dont imagine for one second either that Boonex are closing tickets just to shut people up and to make it look like they are doing the work when they are not as you said... Thats just silly talk, this is their business, not some hobby that they dont much care if they get right, course they do, and course they are working hard on fixing things...
buckmcgoo
Seems like a bright guy?? Have you ever read any of his posts?
Technoman
have you heard of the blog rules for saying what you just said can have you banned from here ?
Technoman
buckmcgoo you got nothing else contructive to say stop posting your waisting peoples time and energy!
CodeSatori
The problem with tracking an application status based on open tickets is that the tickets rarely convey an idea of how much work is involved in each. I've had situations with 20 bugs on my checklist before release date, and since they were each small issues, it wasn't a big deal at all. On the other hand, some tickets can stay open for weeks because of the amount of dependent work included...

Of course it's nice at this point if Boonex staff can close tickets within a few days of completion, because see more everyone is looking for progress towards a final release.
Technoman
See the question to all of this is if there is a tracking systenm that works then why is it the bugs keep repeating themselves over and over recently in each new version or they reapear down in the next versions.

I just would like to know who is in charge of the tracking system and are the bugs that are in tracking system getting actually fixxed or not ?

Something just does not make any sence.


One day there is 60 tickets to be fixxed and each day lets say 10 tickets are closed, but then see more voila a new Beta comes out and those tickets that were marked fixxed were not fixxed in the new Beta, why is that ?
bpowers84
I agree this is an issue with Dolphin 6 as well you would install a release on your website that would have one two or three bugs, the next version would promise a fix and would actually fix 1, 2, and 3 but would then break a whole new set of features. So another version is released and bugs 1, 2, and 3 are back. This is just an example.

Dolphin 6 IM works, dolphin 6.x IM no longer works, dolphin 6.1.x IM is fixed again, and then bam 6.2.x IM feature is yet again broken. This seems to be a see more repeating problem with this software, I am not a programmer so I won't pretend to know how to fix bugs etc, but I have worked with other Open Source Projects in the past that when a problem was fixed it stayed fixed, it didn't keep creeping up again and again.

Please note that above I used versions that may or may not be valid, it was just to serve the purpose of further explaining what I was saying, if you feel the need to comment on how I know nothing about this software based on the above statements you can keep them to yourself, the information about the im is only an example.
dpi
I think Boonex is trying to avoid the problems they had with 6 (and probably previous versions). The first 6 Final version had a lot of bugs, the update fixed some but caused others, it took how long until we got the latest version of D6 that now seems to work pretty good (at least from my point of view), granted still a few minor bugs. I personally would rather have D7 work as smoothly as possible than to give my members a new site that is buggy and have to work harder to try and fix them, or wait see more until Boonex comes out with 7.1 while I have to run a buggy site because Boonex rushed out a version.

I am excited for D7, loving the new features, and was one of those who wanted to wait for the final version before launching my site. I am glad I am now using 6.16 for my site and can wait until D7 is perfected, even if that means waiting for a 7.1 version. Better for me, and better for my members.

I am very impressed with what Boonex has done from 6 to 7, and can't even imagine what they have in store for future versions.
Technoman
well what ever it is, I hope they come out with something for productive soon,
tons of money that has been spent on my server is being lost over this.
 
 
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