Censorship on Boonex
Boonex seems to love the drama here so much that they are censoring posts that have practical information, while letting other people write droves of material about how they have been wronged or how horrible we all are. The first post I am talking about happened yesterday and by a member asking a question about upgrades. I spent about 45 minutes researching the reference links and writing the post but my response was deleted because it was on a thread where the member had dared to post a question on a blog. My response concerned a safe upgrade procedure - something I had intended to make a blog post about anyway.
I'm not making a bigger deal of this than it is but I wasted 45 minutes - who wants to waste time trying to help someone if over zealous moderators here might delete your post. It is not the first time - another thread a few days prior was from a member who was proposing a mod sharing forum. We started to discuss the legality of what was being proposed and the possibility of an open source sharing forum when the thread was abrupty killed. It wasn't clear to me that the poster was proposing anything illegal - in fact, I am pretty sure he meant sharing mods that are already free - but we never got a chance to find out. The post was censored.
Somehow, Boonex has managed to go from a totally unmoderated forum to a heavily policed forum in less than a few weeks- even though the unmoderated forum mostly worked. I think people should be able to post whatever they want on their blogs as long as they aren't using it for personal attacks. Whether Boonex should be making every Blog equally visible is another issue - but people can naturally choose to read or not read the posts. Those who want to read and participate in the drama posts can do so; people who would rather follow technical posts can do so just as freely. If it doesn't contain a personal attack or obscenity, it shouldn't be deleted.
You don't see LiveJournal, Blogger, Wordpress.org etc run around deleting posts do you? I don't think Boonex should either. If your Blog is so readily cencored it is not really your blog - almost by definition.
Rob
p.s. I am budgeting no more than 20 minutes to any responses to this - and I may not respond at all. Vote against me if you think this is a terrible thing to bring up but I thought I should mention that they are now killing threads.
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I was hoping the arbitrary blog removals were over with, but apparently not.
I still think an outside blog site would be a good idea.
I'm sorry to hear your time was thrown away. I know exactly how that feels. 8(
After thinking about this for a little bit and reading the responses from Victor and jtadeo, I believe I made a bad call. At least as far as the support blog being removed.
Regards
Tyke
From my personal experience and with my own sites, I've never had a problem with members posting technical questions in their blogs or whatever they wanted, as long as it wasn't spam or anything too crazy. At times, the blog would bring out some of the best answers and solutions. Other times, it turned into flame wars...just like here sometimes.
However, over here it's a bit different. It is a current BoonEx rule that technical questions be posted in the forums.
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We all have agreed to follow the rules, and that post was in direct breach of the rules. The Moderators have made the right decision by hiding the post.
Make no mistake, your time and effort to help that member is much appreciated. BUT - Ok, the post has gone due to rules violation.
Why not just duplicate your message in that post via PM to that member? Then, you would be sure your help message is delivered. The help was your main goal, wasn't it? Why would you say that you have wasted see more
Regarding the 45 minutes you said you lost, don't take it personally, but you did participate in a blog that you knew was going to get moderated yet you chose to gamble your time by posting.
By posting a reply you are encouraging member actions that is currently against the rules. I think it's normal to want to help but you should have posted your reply in the forums where it would not have been moderated and where BoonEx currently wants it to go.
Avoid disappointment. If it's a technical see more
but I do think it's too bad that there isn't a "move" function.
I'm thinking of something like phpBB has. If a post is in the wrong area, the moderators can simply move it to a more appropriate area.
Anyways, I'll bow out now. I don't want to stoke any fires unwittingly. : /
CALTRADE said, "Boonex seems to love the drama here so much that they are censoring posts that have practical information, while letting other people write droves of material about how they have been wronged or how horrible we all are."
Rob, BoonEx does not love the drama. It is the total opposite. Not sure how you came up with that equation. I personally don't know too many site owners who would want the kind of drama that's happened here the past few weeks. How see more
Actually, the original blog poster requested the blog be moderated. One of the other moderators obliged.
Its very simple, the rules are here for a reason, to keep order, now if you join a site and you dont like the rules, then what people tend to do is leave, they dont argue with the Admin, the moderators and try there best to buck the system. They do as the rules say, or dont stay on the site.
I have to say too that on no other site would there be see more
Why is this so important to you, whats the big deal. Truth is, you haven't got an argument, cant you see that, you simply have no debate about this subject what so ever so you make yourself look foolish, which is really not good.
Truth is, you dont like the rules, you go see more
Ive been saying this all along, people dont like the forum, its too simple, not enough scope for everything,that silly forum spy that once you come off it, nobody can ever find your post again. If the forum was better in functionality, stickies and stuff, like all forums have, there wouldnt be any of this. It so frustrating that orca forum, it really needs a total rethink to bring it up to date with the rest of them.its see more
if a blog is in fact a blog, and not a technical support question from the beginning, then i have not seen where anything of the sort has been deleted. if a person as a new member or aged member who is unknowing of the rules, posts a technical support question in the blogs, the rules clearly state, that this is not where support questions should be posted. in the past support questions have been posted in the blogs and in some instances they have been answered. it is the intent of the see more
What censorship??
There are a clearly defined set of rules in place here
By using this site you are agreeing to adhere to them - management also reserves the right to change them at any time, without notice and without notification - this means that the responsibility falls with the user to ensure they comply. These rules are not unique - pretty much every commercial site with an open user-base has something similar in place. Boonex had the respect to let everyone know that see more
The word unfortunately comes with a slightly negative connotation for some. I was merely stating that the 'rules' set forth here are not particularly my point of view.
But Like I said, I try to follow their rules while I'm here, even if I don't agree with them. I run my sites my way, you run yours your way and Boonex see more
My point is that regardless of whether we actually, theoretically or philosophically agree or disagree with the rules, by using the site we are actually all legally stating we agree with them. Which means that we have to abide by them.
IMHO Censorship is the suppression of the right to the freedom of speech.
There is freedom of speech here at Boonex, but with some simple caveats - it shouldn't be offensive to others and it should be in see more
Not at all DeeEmm - it has not been forgotten, but Boonex has over corrected. The community needed adult supervision, not hall monitors.
I take it then that all the people who are complaining about the rules, dont have any rules at all on their sites, and let members do what they want.
Naaaa, of course not, we all have rules for our sites, and how would we feel if some members started calling us out about how we police our site and uphold the see more
- I could easily come to the conclusion that most probably don't have their own site but simply hang here as it's better see more
It's 'specifically' directed at no one, it's just a tongue in cheek observation about some of the stuff people post here (and elsewhere on the web).
DosDawg - I think there needs to be a rule about rambling too :)
:D
or at least that is the way i have always perceived a blog (bulletin log).
(Has no one got a sense of humor around here?)
(1) Currently the moderation is hampered by the lack of appropriate tools, and the list of forum topics is incomplete (as a result, it is not obvious and easy for people where to drop their forum posts into and to search the forum). Boonex recognises this, and will be addressing this once D7 is out of the way (ie released).
(2) Then there's the blog area -- there are two problems see more
BUT, there is a bit of a problem with this site.
Q) What is the first thing a smart user does when they run into problems with the install?
A) Do a site search for the problem.
I did this before even signing up on Unity. I didn't sign up until I discovered a solution to the problem on my own and wanted to post it incase it helped see more
I can understand the confusion --- yours and everyone else's (including my own!).
Just bear with things as they are for a while as this place is in transition right now. When the dust settles, it will be a brand new day :)
And ... welcome to Unity (that's more a goal right now, not an actual state).
It said,
Unity Blog is the place to discuss problems, ideas, suggestions related to BoonEx products and the BoonEx company.
Please, check the Unity Rules before submitting.
First time I'd come across that particular screen.
2 things to note; a) I see the word PROBLEM in there.
b)Thats the first time I was given the option to read the rules.
So users have the ability to respond or add to a see more
first off, a problem would suggest to me, that you have had a problem, problem meaning the site was functional, you took every avenue imagined and there was still a problem. you analyzed this problem and found no solution. then you come to the blogs and reported what steps you took, and what the results were.
difference being in most posts, is this:
"how do i get to my admin"
well absolutely they have not read anything, they are looking for a geocities style site which see more
My intention wasn't as harsh as it may have come across. IMHO I consider the rules as parameters for posting. In that sense the rules are statements of censorship. I didn't mean 'censorship' in the ultimate control type of thing. Simply the idea of allowing certain things to be in certain places is a form of control and censorship.
Having said that I complete agree that there is a need for rules in any given situation and here is no exception. My opinion see more
I see where dolphin has been around for a while. But no step by step instruction no videos what kind of business plan is this? EVERY THING COMES WITH INSTRUCTION!!! Now D7 with no instruction?
I mean there are so many free forums that can be used in the place of orca and of course be moderated to the "T" of professionalism
( why arent we moving forward ) ?
If we would use an exsisting forum that I mentioned it can be moderated properly then we would all be ahead of the game, wouldnt you all think ?
If boonex employed a third party forum it would NEVER be ahead of the game - it would simply be just the same as everything else on the web - there is no room to progress and develop.
I prefer the integration of orca - as opposed to using an addon like phpbb or whatever.
I just think they could streamline it some. Dolphin is pretty robust and I like it alot. I assume all of us do and that's why we're here and using it on our sites.