Moderator Notes

jtadeo posted 1st of June 2009 in Community Voice. 32 comments.

Well, so far I've survived May. Although, it really was only a week as a moderator.

As there is now an active moderation plan (tho still being worked on), a few blogs have been dealt with. For the most part, the idea is to keep the blogs, all of them, unless they break Unity rules which I understand is still in progress.

Here are one of my observations so far:

There Are Blogs That I Kind of Think Should Stay
While I understand that questions are suppose to be in the forum, what do we do with the ones from before. From my own perspective, some of them are really useful. Even though they are suppose to be at the forums (at the time of their writing, they were not moderated for one reason or another). Maybe we can have some kind of blog amnesty that if it's older than so many days and it has some utility it should stay.

I have also seen some good blog posts where the question was presented so well that it just hurt to moderate it as it clearly defined the problem space and in my opinion took great effort to seek the answer. As much as possible, I normally contact the original blog poster and give them 24 hours to save/move it to the forum.

I don't want to break rules but I also don't want to be inflexible to the needs of members. This I believe should be open to discussion.

So regarding past questions that should have been moved to the forum but wasn't, what do you guys think? I wait for your good reply :D

*As a note, understand that ultimately, it would be BoonEx who decides.

...sip...

 
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killerhaai
The best way to start fresh, from 1 june off new support questions have to posted into Forums. Blogs will be hided by moderation.

You have to make a statement, so I thinks this is the best way. Old Blogs post who have a interessest content for all can for me stay where they are now.

my 2eurocents...
move them all over there, it will breathe life in to the forums and if they are popular they will naturally stay near the top whereas blogs can quickly get buried.


"knight in slimey armour"
houstonlively
James, I'm guessing that you just don't have the moderation tools to move blog posts to the forums since the database tables are completely different, and that if the old posts were to be moved, it would have to be done manually one-by-one.

However, the 'Answers' section is a carbon copy of the blog section, and that would be a good place to send all the support Q&A. If you look at the latest support question here in the blogs section, you will see that the author has also posted the exact see more same thing in the answers section.... so don't feel too bad about deleting the blog post.

Every single support question should be moved to the answers section no matter what the age. This should not be a gray area... it is black and white. Moving the support questions from the blogs to the answers section, improves both sections. There will be more answers where they should be, and the blogs will be less cluttered. It's a win-win operation, that will go a long way in the effort to restore blog etiquette.
jtadeo
My tool is comparable to a "nub".

I can hide stuff. That's it...lol...

I am the "hider of bad and nasty blogs".

Good point about the Answer Blogs. I think I will head over there more.

Good stuff everyone. You guys are great :D

...sip...
if passwords weren't md5 encrypted this issue could easily be solved :-p :-p
sammie
houston
let me give you a little boonex insight.
sorry i had no idea what i was saying for a second, let me give you a little boonex lack of vision. where a brilliant team of devs think a script can moderate people without the need of staff. just because they are lazy gits and dont wanna work here.

Orca. a self moderating forum designed by boonex.

Answers, a self moderating Q&A built by Boonex.

Unity Blogs, a self moderating no idea what the fook it is as the rules of posting here see more are so unclear the auto moderation tool is a joke.
oh and because u swore in this reply, the whole fucking thread has to be hidden by the limited moderator tools, or they can let it stay for the rest of the people because it contains valid points.

........ refrained from the rest of my comments on this, as i didnt wanna upset anyone
theguypc
I wonder if it would be too much to create a pseudo blog area in the forums. A kind of "off topic" area that all of these "grey area" posts could be put.

I agree that it would be far better to move a post then to delete or remove it entirely. At least when the motive of the poster is good.

I think houstonlively mentioned doing something like this. I'm not sure if I just described it properly though.

This is an issue that really needs a definitive answer. There is no reason see more for anyone to have bad feelings over having a post removed if it is just moved to a more appropriate area. Still, the rules need to be defined better.

Maybe they should just make the blogs for Boonex only and have a separate area for Unity members.

I don't know. I just know that this blog removal issue is causing a lot of angst among members on this site needlessly.

Thanks for giving it more thought jtadeo. ; )
houstonlively
I should also add that moving blog posts to the answers section should be accompanied by some sort of training program for Boonex staff members so that they actually provide some answers themselves, in the answers section. (There hasn't been a Boonex 'Answer' posted in about ten months)
kosmic
Coming up with a sensible moderation policy for the blogs is a wise move:

If the reason for the moderation is because a user has posted a help request which belongs in the forum and it has been decided to give 24hrs notice to the user to move the post to the forum or deletion will occur is sufficient.

If it has been missed for a while and problem resolved, it would be unnessercery to over moderate, unless it falls under another moderation rule..ie abusive comments.

I do have a suggestion see more for when we change to D7..to help policing of blog comments.

A small dropdown box which you can choose who can comment upon your blog, ie either.. world, all registered users, friends, or none.

also perhaps if you choose 'world' then comments could be 'awaiting your approval'
'awaiting your approval'

To take this idea a step farther, if some one is known to make posts and comments which are constantly negative and divisive that member could have a read only status that requires all their posts and replies to be approved before being made public.
just move support ones to the answers bit or email them to post in forums ( if they have already posted in forums just delete but send polite email explaining why) , even leaving them up for a 24hour grace period just encourages more...
kosmic
The 24hrs is so the user knows where they stand, as they may not be able to get to a pc for a while.

Moderators are unable to move blog posts to the forum under the users name, and a pre warning is a better idea as the user can copy/paste the same question asked...especially if its a detailed question.

Having to email the user every time a moderator takes action is time consuming and unnessecery.. one polite breech of rules warning is suffcient.
I think junk encourages junk, especially if this site is getting 5,000 visits a day, if people s support issues posted in blogs they will just do the same. Wouldn't it just be easier to email back the blogger the content of their blog/question asked and the reason why is would be better posted in the forums...
Footman
Conceptually I like the idea of giving attention to previous posts in some manner. This line of thinking is a way of showing respect to the original poster. Especially since it was/is quite confusing as to what is allowed to be posted and where it should be posted.

I'm not a fan of just deleting anything someone has written. Unless it's something illegal then I think it should stay. Good or bad, right or wrong. Censorship even in the vain of trying to keep the place looking a certain way is just see more wrong. After some time old blog posts and forum posts could go into an archive file. But to simply delete them? Nah. Well, just my opinion.

But, the specific idea of leaving "question" posts because they were posted in the past just might lead to confusion for some of the newer Unity members coming in the future.

I would think 'moving' a blog post to the forum wouldn't be a clear cut and easy task for a moderator. For the poster maybe. All they would have to do is simply cut and paste the question into a forum section before the blog post would be removed.

Not being privy to the inner workings of the upcoming changes I would still say the current side bar set up is over done and confusing. Forums could very easily contain the sub forums for "answers", "extensions", "jobs", "ads", and "specials" along with an overall dolphin category with the subs of the various versions etc. Blogs can then be a very obvious place for just other ramblings about dolphin or what we're doing with dolphin or what ever is allowed after the new rules come into affect. This forum structure would also allow the moderators to move a forum post if it's under the wrong category.

An example of confusion - I have a question about something that's wrong with my Dolphin site. Do I ask the question in "answers" or the forum -> sub-forum Dolphin -> sub-forum Dolphin 6.1.??

Actually if done properly the forum would encompass all things and the blogs wouldn't be needed. They're not needed anyway. Just an extra place to voice stuff. But if it's all available in the forums with the proper structure then we all know where to go for all our needs. The blogs then become a small part of the big picture here at Unity. Then they can be a place for general blogging stuff, unrestricted, like a general blog is. Or completely done away with if Boonex just doesn't want that kind of blogging.
CALTRADE
I think the problem with the forums is that they are growing so fast that questions disappear before they are answered. One solution I already proposed would be to add more forums - I suggested NEWBIE, DATING, SOCIAL, BUSINESS AND ADULT. Someone else - Youdidntdidyou I think, had a different breakdown based on technical issues, MODS, CODE, etc - I think he also recommended an "off topic" forum, which seems like a good idea. Do both of these. People will be able to find more appropriate see more areas to post their questions.
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Rob
LightWolf
I agree, sometimes i have to go back 5 pages to find a request in the forums. "NEWBIE, DATING, SOCIAL, BUSINESS AND ADULT is a GREAT suggestion, then sub categorize each one "MODS, CODE, etc".
add your thoughts here http://www.boonex.com/unity/forums/#topic/Forums-suggestions.htm maybe it might make a difference...
sammie
great, so i can post questions about people and they wont be attacts YAY
DosDawg
sammie,
i would tend to believe that dealing with personalities and personable entities should not be part of this sites blog or forum. please use the PM system for that action.

Regards,
DosDawg
LightWolf
I think the moving of A&Q blogs is worth looking into and implementing. As for deleting a blog after 24 hours seems a bit harsh. Sometimes people work long hours and do not get online for a few days. Maybe hide the blog for now tell the writer can respond. I know there are times when i can not get online every day or every other day, and with the economy so bad in U.S, people are taking on second jobs. I do agree that the blogs do need cleansing, just be careful as some of those blog writers see more pay for their use of Dolphin and may cause a back lash, as we all know we have had enough of that on here to take us into the year 2030..lol
DosDawg
lightwolf, yes the posts are "hidden" not deleted per say, moreso deleted from public view. the admins could restore the post for a period of time. i read what you are saying here, but this is how i feel about this and have from the very beginning. when you initiate a blog post, there is a popup that is presented to you as the poster, this has the rules clearly stated.

now on a contrast comparison lets consider a stop sign. new driver or seasoned, if you roll up to a stop sign, knowing see more the rules, and run that stop sign, should you be forgiven or shown leniency for your actions? overall and general site etiquette says that we "should" read the rules of engagement when participating in public forums or blogs.

i believe 24 hours is ample time, as in most cases the response to the poster with the notification to place their post in the appropriate location, would be shortly after the post hits the site.

Regards,
DosDawg
Tallyplayer
Most definately, and I hate to sound like a broken record, the forums are to narrow in scope. I also think the web general definitions of Blogs and forums are sometimes muddled here. This can be difficult seeing as how the similarities betwen forums and blogs are so closely intertwined. First notice that correctly so in Dolphin you get to set the subject and content of each blog, even vreating seperate blogs of your own. They are diaries, a continuation of one persons thoghts on the topic of see more their choosing. The comments within the blogs are there to get feedback on the line of thought or series of actions. In their very nature blogs are personal and may lead to voices of political opposition or different points of view. These within a commnunity should be addressed on the basis of the topic and not personal attacks on the writers, we all are after all entitled to our opinions.

Forums on the other hand are typically more collaberation based. That makes them more useful for continuing "threads" of information, hence great for questions, and continuing lines of focus with multiple inputs like code development. That threaded feed system requires a constantly evolving set up topics and folders to help control the thought patterns and flows and to make the information more readily accesible. I am thinking this to be the difference and would welcome criticism or discussion one way or the other.
tyke
I agree here, the forum are very narrow in scope. To be honest, the forum is ok if you have a small site where people only post now and again, but a site this big simply needs a better forum, it just cant cope, its hasnt got half the things a forum needs to keep it running smoothly at this scale. It needs stickies, announcements, global announcements and it needs to be easier to find things, it just doesn't cut the mustard for a site this big. i think we all use forums for one thing or another, so see more we all know this so im just stating the obvious.
sammie
i notice you missed the most inportant ones:
dolphin 6.1
dolphin 6.1.2
dolphin 6.1.3
dolphin 6.1.4
dolphin 6.1.5
dolphin 6.1.6
and the now awaited
dolphin 6.1.7


I think the problem with the forums is that they are growing so fast that questions disappear before they are answered. One solution I already proposed would be to add more forums - I suggested NEWBIE, DATING, SOCIAL, BUSINESS AND ADULT. Someone else - Youdidntdidyou I think, had a different breakdown based on technical issues, see more MODS, CODE, etc - I think he also recommended an "off topic" forum, which seems like a good idea. Do both of these. People will be able to find more appropriate areas to post their questions.
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Rob

unless you piss people off and they delete almost 1000 posts. then it leaves a huge whole in all of the past versions huh?
tyke
I think you have to be careful with this one, leaving every blog on sounds good in theory, as does allowing people to post question in the blogs too....But... I think what will happen is people will get whiff of this and post questions here instead of the forum because they dont like the delay getting their questions answered on the forum, so the blogs will get very messy. Good idea to give anybody the chance to move their blog post over to the forum if thats where it should be (copy and paste will see more do that job, well, if firefox behaves and lets you that is) or over to the Q&A section if its one that gets asked often and needs a sticky. i dont think its about deleting things, unless of course its giving off bad vibes, its more about moving things to the appropriate area's. I believe the forum really needs a general type area where people can talk about anything, that will give a lot more freedom to post off topic without the need to come onto the blogs.
DosDawg
tyke, in essence there is not much that is really deleted, there is a hide function, but not a delete function. and if you have ever moderated any site, you would know that moving posts from one area to another can prove to be a full time job. typically how i approach this is with a written notice, letting the poster know the exact paragraph of the rules, as well as mention that a set of rules were presented when they initiated the blog post, and allow them a period of time 24 hours (max) to get see more the post moved to the appropriate location on the site.

Regards,
DosDawg
Draxxon
If you create new forum areas don't forget the one that will generate some of the *MOST* posts:

Installation/Upgrade problems.

I think that relegating these questions to a separate area would eliminate a *LOT* of clutter since this is where a lot of people often have the most problems....

...It would also allow the area to be searched for solutions without other posts interfering.

(Just my 2 cents worth)
Jhazzi
From Footman's Post: ["Not being privy to the inner workings of the upcoming changes I would still say the current side bar set up is over done and confusing. Forums could very easily contain the sub forums for "answers", "extensions", "jobs", "ads", and "specials" along with an overall dolphin category with the subs of the various versions etc. Blogs can then be a very obvious place for just other ramblings about dolphin or what we're doing see more with dolphin or what ever is allowed after the new rules come into affect. This forum structure would also allow the moderators to move a forum post if it's under the wrong category."]

I support this solution. I'm a novice to Dolphin but not to Forums. This is the most difficult forum to understand and is very confusing with "blogs, answers, etc." in the sidebars. I am also in agreement with not deleting posts in blogs or anywhere unless they violate the rules. They should be placed in their proper categories.

It's good to see: 1). Change is in the works. 2). Input is solicited from members. 3). Members participating for a win-win solution.

Thank James for the inquiry. Happy Moderating!

Regards,
Jhazzi
jayrover
You are the only one I enjoy hearing from. Question...

There is a plugin for TinyMCE to add the ability of using php. I have uploaded the plugin to the tinymce-plugins directory, but I am not sure how to add it in the tinymce.init line. Otherwise, how would I be able to incorporate ajax java scripting into a custom block. I have set up php blocks, and it is sweet! But how do i embed php tags in my html blocks using <?php ?>??? Any ideas?
WESWAYS
repost in forum then archive all irelevent blogs
 
 
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