Hello

I am opening this thread to explain our Terms of Service.

We are going to upload very soon some products in the Boonex Market, and this thread is necessary for all our customers when purchasing one of our products.

This thread will be added on each of our products, and it's very important to read it for present and future products purchases.

SO PLEASE PAY ATTENTION.

TRIAL

YobiLab will provide all its mods for 2 days TRIAL.

It means you will be able to install the mod on one domain and test it for 2 days for Free.

In order to do it you will need a license key.

To grab a license key you will need to download the package by the Boonex Market Post, install it on your Dolphin site, and follow the onscreen instructions.

As soon as the trial version is ended you will need to purchase the product or it will be automatically deleted.

Remember:

To grab a license you will also need to create an account on YobiLab.com, and not only for the licenses but also to receive regular invoice as explained below(see INVOICES).

We have decided to provide a Trial to avoid requests of refund and to let you see how our mod works on your site.

I hope you like this solution.

ENCRYPTION

We want to make it clear for everybody, since we have seen so many people confused about ilbellodelweb encryption.

All our mods, even when free, will be encrypted.

All our mods will need a license key to be activated.

How the encryption works:

The mods will be encrypted, valid for one domain only. You won't be able to do any modification on the mod.

When you need a modification on one of our mods, there is only one company that you can contact: YobiLab.

You will be able to modify the CSS files (style of the mod).

If you have a modded site, we will work for free for you to make the mod working with your modded site!

The license works in this way:

Your site is not linked to our site each second, and it won't decrease your site speed.

The license will be checked every 15 days.

A local key will be stored on your site, that will be enough for 15 days.

After 15 days the module will re-check the license on our site, it will take about 1 second, and for other 15 days it will use a new local key.

The license key system is stored on a dedicated machine, with unmetered bandwidth and with 12GB of RAM, so your site won't even notice the difference.

Licenses and encryptions are not applied only for custom modifications.

INVOICES

YobiLab is a legal Web Agency and Web Hosting Company located in Europe.

We always work with American people, and with people around the world.

But there are some laws we need to respect.

This is why we advice to purchase our products on YobiLab.com. The process will be simpler and faster

You can even purchase the products on Boonex.com, but you will need anyway to create an account on YobiLab.com to receive a regular invoice as described below.

Boonex does not give the opportunity at the moment to provide regular invoices, but we need to do that, or it will be considered illegal in Europe.

Invoices work this way:

-For European customers 20% Tax Rule apply, if the customer is an individual. Tax-Off if is a company

-For NON-European customers 20% Tax Rule does not apply in any case

Sorry about it, but you won't be able to use a mod made by YobiLab until you create an account on YobiLab.com.

Laws in Europe are very important, and we need to respect them in full.

Remember that you will need to use your REAL CONTACT DETAILS.

We work with MaxMind to check the client details.

If we find your details to be false, each license will be suspended, even when free or paid.

This is our TOS.

There is no way to change it.

Each client is the same for us, no one will have a different treatment, for any reason, even for more money. This is what our company has to do, we do not have any other way.

CUSTOM JOBS

We have made many custom jobs in these days, this is how we provide a quote. Read it with attention.

We have seen so many angry customers with their own programmers. This happens because a customer requires a custom modification, for a lot of money, and then the programmer posts the custom modification on the market to resell it.

To avoid this bad thing, we will provide the quote in this way.

You will find three different prices when asking for a custom modification:

1)Copyrighted by YobiLab (the cheaper one, YobiLab will be able to resell the custom modification/template on the market)

2)Copyrighted by the customer(YobiLab won't be able to resell the custom modification on the Market, the price is a little higher)

3)Copyrighted by the customer with reseller rights (The customer is the copyright owner and the customer will be able to resell the custom modification on the market. YobiLab just creates the mod, nothing else. The price is more expensive in this case).

I hope everything is clear.

Use this forum thread only to ask for clarifications, nothing else.

I repeat we won't change our Terms of Service in any case, so do not use this thread for any other reason than just asking for clarifications.

I have been so serious here, I know, but it's REALLY important to make everything clear from the begin!! =D =D

Regards

I wouldn't buy anything from you or anyone else under such terms! [Magnussoft redacted this post per request.] Why would anyone want to be dependent on you keeping the mod up to date, What if you skip town never to be heard from again?

I don't have a problem with encryption, and certainly not with restricting use to a single domain.  Requiring license checking to some other domain every 15 days, is a little over the top.  What guarantees does anyone have that you will be in business 1 year from now... or 5 years from now.  If you business implodes one day, and there's no more license server, down goes your mods on everybody's sites.

This won't happen.

This is the same problem you will have if Boonex goes down.

The difference is that if the mod does not find our server the local key will be stored forever, it won't be changed each 15 days, and the mod will work anyway and forever.

So you do not have to worry about our business. We do not think our business is going to implode, but if it will happen, the mod will work anyway.

We are also considering the option to give some mods for free, so a license is required to protect at least our work.

The license can be reissued as many times as you want.

You can use that on unlimited domain names.

When you unistall a mod from a domain and you put on another domain name, you will have just to click on "reissue license" and that's done.

As written the mods can completely be modded in the style and in some basic functions.

What it's not possible to do is modify the core of the mod, that is a different thing.

The YobiLab encryption works as any other commercial encryption.

Let's keep things clean from here on out.

Thanks to Magnussoft for having helped me to take this thread clean.

We want to make some points clearer for everybody, since we have seen many concerns about it.

1)The license can be reissued for UNLIMITED times. IF you unistall the mod from one domain you will be able to install that on another Domain. Automatically.

2)You will be able to style the mod, and modify it to work with your own modifications. Only the Core of the mod will be encrypted.

3)Your site speed won't be decreased. The local key will be stored on your site. If YobiLab.com will go down for any reason your site will still work and the mod too.

We know there were many problems with ilbellodelweb mods, but we are NOT ilbellodelweb and our license system works in a totally different way.

We use the WHMCS licensing system with our custom modifications and integrations.

This license system has taken more than 20 days of work.

It's a powerful system, not just few lines of code.

Your site will work fine, and I can guarantee you will have no problems AT ALL.

I hope everything is clear now.

Please when you have a question, do not use bad words or stupid sentences, we won't reply, and the post will be reported as it is already happened.

If you have any doubt or question, just ask, I 'll be there to answer.

Yobilab, Okay you make all licensing much more clear than other devs here so thats what I really appretiate.Its good all is sorted out before you start selling

1) As you state you provide free support even on modded sites and only core is encrypted than I have no problem with encryption - Finally the one person who made this at least partially customer friendly - free help to modify on modded sites and only core encrypted - congrats other devs who encrypt their work should take you as a  example how this can be handled in friendly way

2) congrats you on trial option- its one of most fair way how can people try your mod on their own site - Again other devs should take you as an example of friendly approach

3) one domain licese only. As a potential customer Im not happy from this step but have to respect it. If you choosed this way I hope that your mods gona be reasonably priced so we can actually afford it if we have to pay for each domain and not gonna be overpriced as some mods here

4) domain license validation each 15 days. Well I dont believe this is right step on this one. Imagine that I will have site with 30 mods and every one gonna call home in some time - thats first thing I will highlight. Secondly as others mentioned here you cant know what happen any time, if problem appearch on your server even if you server can be superb problem can happen and what then ? I would recommend you that atbleast make it that your mod dont get blocked first time they dont reach your server - first it can send some message to admin with warning that license cant be validated and try at least one moth validate it. I would be really glad if you reconsider home call restrictions once more if this is really necessary to have. With all respect to you please resonsider if you really have to put home calls.....This one I really dont like :-(

5) What country are you from ? If you are in an EU contry than TAX should not apply. If you are in Europe but in country outside EU than you are correct...

6) As your mods are one domain only can you clearly state if (hope that yes) your customers who bought already will have certain discount if they want buy same mod for other site. I would welcome at least 40% discount 50% discount wouild be perfect and I think most fair... but thats just my opinion

Two major problems for me.

1. License verification every 15 days - just more things to go wrong plus bandwidth usage.

2. Having to create an account on your site for these mods to work let alone purchase. Boonex has a well established accounts system already established.

Having purchased a mod and verified it via a license key, I would have thought a bond of trust had been established..... The only thing in your favour is the 2 day trial period.

Personally you would need the 'Next big thing' for me to accept your terms.

1) thanks

2) thanks

3) this is necessary unfortunately

4) As explained the license key work in a way that your site can't notice the difference. Each mod that uses a license must call at home. 15 days it's a long time. It will take 1 second and the local key will work for 15 days. I think the Boonex system works in the same way, or something very similar. I do not know how ilbellodelweb license works, but probably that is similar too. The local key will be enough for all the mods. If you have 30 mods one local key is enough, and one check is enough. The license do not need 30 checks for 30 mods, do not worry about it. As long as you have one account on YobiLab, one license check will be ok. The license works with the YobiLab account. One account = One license check.(even if you have 500 mods)

5) Our company is based in Italy. These tax rules apply for us. We can't do anything about that, even if we would like so much to avoid this!

6) Well 50% it's more than a simple discount, it's the half of the price. But what is sure is that more promotions will come when you buy more mods from us. We are very open in this case. What is important for us it's NOT selling a mod for a big price, but is to have a trusted customer. This is what we really want.

Im still  abit confused about home calls. Cant you make it the way that your mod call home only once to validate a license and than no more license checks ? I just dont understand why it will validate license every 15 days ? Otherwise you seems to be really developer who actually care about what customers think and want so I hope you keep this attitude and join a small group of developers here who are trusted by a community here. Good luck yobi you have my full sympathy so hope it will stay this way :-)

Regarding pricing at all I think fair prices for most mods should be upto 30 usd - so everybody can afford it. For a robust modules a think 50-70 usd should be a top and for some extra ultra good and robust modules I think 100 USD max. Anything over 100 USD I think is not reasonable price and you dont get many sales but looks like your prices will be friendly so looking forward how they gonna be :-).

Also I think you should cross check EU rules. As Im buying alot of software from states in EU and tax is not applied for any county that is inside EU and Italy is a part of EU. I think you are wrong here with tax. I think all countries are entitled to pay tax EXCEPT people with residency in other EU country. I just checked my bills from my recent buys from companies located in EU and I didnt pay any TAX there.

1)This is explained on the previous post. The license check won't affect in any way your bandwidth usage. This is a remote check.

2)This is also well explained. We have to provide a regular invoice. But this is not only for us, but for you. When you buy a mod from Boonex the only thing you can have is the PayPal receipt, that is not enough. If you have a company, in certain cases, you will be able to deduct the taxes and you will be able to provide our regular invoices to your business consultant.

I have never said Boonex does not have a good shopping cart. It's good. But as said we are not an individual selling mods, we are a company, this is a different thing. We do not sell mods only for Boonex, but we also sell Hosting and other services. We always provide regular invoices, we must and we will continue to do so.

As explained you can buy a mod from Boonex, but to provide a regular invoice we will need anyway your basic contact details.

We are a recognized and legal company.

For you and for all the Boonex members, these are our contact details.

You can trust in us, we do not have anything to hide.

YobiLab

P.IVA(Registered IT VAT code): 01047220577

Via A. Manzoni, Rieti(RI), 02100

Via Lungotevere degli inventori, Rome(RM), 00146

TEL USA: (872) 213-9226
OFFICE: 00390688857436
FAX: 00390688857436
MAIL: info@yobilab.com

1) Thank you very much.

I will try to explain how the license works in detail.

When you buy a mod you will need to enter for ONE TIME only the license key you will AUTOMATICALLY get on YobiLab.com

As soon as you have entered the license you won't do anything else. No more actions are required by you.

The license will check if you have a valid license key the first time and a LOCAL KEY will be stored on a specific file ON YOUR SITE.

For 15 days the local key will be valid and your site won't check the license on our system again.

After 15 days the license will be re-checked.

HOW:

The license will simply call a DB table on our system, nothing else.

It's a remote call. If the license is still valid a new LOCAL KEY will be stored and for other 15 days it will be ok.

It won't decrease your site speed and it won't create any issue on your site. I am going to explain how and why.

The license system is installed in a dedicated machine with unmetered bandwith and 12 GB of RAM.

The dedicated machine it's located NOT in Italy, but in Chicago, where we have all our servers, SLC Zone.

Since it's a remote check you do not need any bandwidth usage.

This is simple. The script call the db, the db responds, and all the rest is done ON YOUR SITE, not in our site.

As you know, Dolphin calls for many DB tables at the same time, the license system needs only one table to be called ONE TIME.

Do you really think it will decrease your site speed?? =D Well, I do not think so. Better, we are totally sure it won't happen.

Finally, if the YobiLab system will be down for any reason, the local key won't be changed and your site will continue to work fine and FOREVER. If our bussiness will implode one day, the mod will continue to work fine, the local key will be there, FOREVER.

The same system used by us, is used by WHMCS, please check WHMCS.com.

It's one of the most famous hosting and billing softwares in the WORLD. This CMS is used by BIG companies such as HostForWeb.

Do you really think HostForWeb would use WHMCS if it could decrease its site speed? Well I do not think so.

I hope it's really clear now.

I can't explain it better than this or probably anyone will understand how to decrypt my modules =D eheh

@freakpower

As for the tax rules concern.

We have these laws to be respected.

I do not know where you have bought other applications from other countries in Europe.

Anyway, if you are NOT in Europe tax will not be applied.

If you are in Europe I will give you a little trick.

On our site just enter the Field "Company Name" and you won't pay anything.

If you do not have a company name at the moment, maybe you will have one in the next year.

It's not important how you signup our site, and we have no responsabilities on this.

This is how our business consultant adviced. This is how tax rules work for Italian laws.

I know it's not good, and we do not like these laws, but this is how we have to do to be recognized as a legal company...you know, laws need to be respected.

We work with MaxMind to check the client details. If you write your real name and subname that will be enough, that is important for legal purposes. If you enter a company name, we can't do anything on that. I see many people entering under company name their site name...I do not know why, but this happens every day. So you can maybe do the same. Laws are different in each country, so you have just to take care of your laws, not of our laws.

Thanks for detailed explanation - Now I understand completely :-)

Regarding TAX I just checked with my accontant. Those people who can provide you valid EU VAT number should NOT be asked to pay tax as if both parties are located in EU. You are in fact correct in your post as you say" tax off for companies", but in most of EU countries individuals who run business not as company but as a individulas (its called OSVC here in CZ) also have valid VAT number and than they are handled same as companies so tax off for them applies also. SO to be most clear you should state " Tax off if its company or an individual running business with valid vat number" so it will be 100% clear.

Anyway thank you for your detailed care about our questions - this is how I expect company will work toward customers... :-)

Yes that's correct.

In fact in our signup page you will find two fields:

Company Name

VAT number

You can enter one or both.

So if you have a VAT number, but you do not have a Company name, well in that case, Tax-off for you too =DDD

Thanks for your help again.

You are a good Boonex Member and anyone here should have your same attitude when talking about business.

Regards

Just a additional question. I hope you will allow bought license to be transerred for FREE to other domain if module will be not used on old one anymore - for example if customer want use dolphin on new domain. I think its a fair thing. FOr example your italian colleague ibellodelweb dont allow customer to change domain for free  and customers are forced to buy whole new license - this make alot of users here really angry as I can accept domain lock i can accept encryption if its made firneldy way as your I can accept license validations but if somebody charge customer if he wants only change domain and will not use module anymore on old one than this is what I call rip off ...... so hope you will update your policy on this and mention that change of domains are allowed with your modules so this will be clear also....(if its so) Hope your policy will be friendly at this point as rest of your policy which is acceptable...

Hello

This has been already explained. Do not worry freakpower =D

The license can be transferred to any new domain name FOR FREE. If you won't use a mod anymore on one domain , you will be able to transfer the license FOR FREE and for UNLIMITED TIMES.

You will just have to install the mod on the new domain, go in our client area and click "REISSUE LICENSE". You won't need to do anything else. The license will be updated AUTOMATICALLY. You do not even need to contact us, everything will be done in remote by our system.

You won't be charged. Once you unistall a mod from a domain and you put that on another domain, you will have just to do what I have explained above. Just click a button =D and wolà! the mod will work on the other domain FOR FREE. I repeat FOR FREE =DDDD

What I can advice is just to unistall the mod on the previous domain, to avoid licenses conflict. Nothing else =D

good . Thanks again for detailed explanation :-) . Btw your english is very good - many italian people speak english very bad. I coworked with some italian developers in joomla area before and it was very tough experience as their english was very bad so its good your english is great so we can understand each other :-)

This is something that makes me very happy =D

Thank you so much!